Too much fuel?

[waveflyer]

This is getting dumb-

It shouldn't get to emergency status- judgement should divert you before that- And have the plan in mind before you leave your departure city-

Online is better than offline- and noone's suggesting landing at a 3000' grass strip in bumblef&%^ with no services....

We simply don't need to plan to land every flight with twice the legal fuel for the 1 in 100 scenario. Many of us are wasting a lot of money for no good reason.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

This is getting dumb-

Online is better than offline- and noone's suggesting landing at a 3000' grass strip in bumblef&%^ with no services....

Except the guy who actually suggested that. Not bad points if you exclude that uninformed individual.

 

[Hamburger]

When I dispatched, I worked very hard to be apart of the crews mind set and the way they think

Freudian slip?

 

[avbug]

There is nothing unsafe about being efficient. Landing with an hour and a half of gas remaining is a waste, especially when it's severe clear or at an outstation. Those who claim otherwise simply choose to ignorantly overlook the negative consequences of not caring about efficiency.

You've obviously never arrived at your destination after 10 or more hours of flying to find that the field and your alternate just became unavailable...or arrived using island reserves to a spot in the middle of a large body of water with few other choices, and found that you needed to hold...or had an emergency which collapsed those reserves, or found an extra 80 knots of headwind all the way to that destination that made the hour and a half go away.

Call it a waste, then.

That's not a corner. There's nowhere in the 48 states that you can't get to another runway on reserve fuel. You don't HAVE to land at an airport that your airline serves, or any airline serves for that matter.

Perhaps that's true in whatever you're flying, if you've got limited enough experience to have never found differently. I've certainly seen numerous cases when arriving at the destination, weather, closures, and other factors prevented making other fields, including alternates. If you happen to be flying a large airplane which is limited by runway length, all those little bingo airfields that you may find convenient will suddenly become impossible...and your statement will hold about as much water as a shredded coffee filter.

 

[Cloudroller]

There is nothing unsafe about being efficient. Landing with an hour and a half of gas remaining is a waste, especially when it's severe clear or at an outstation. Those who claim otherwise simply choose to ignorantly overlook the negative consequences of not caring about efficiency.

Sounds to me like the AA Dispatchers cant calc burn or the Pilots are extra efficient.

 

[CA1900]

You don't HAVE to land at an airport that your airline serves, or any airline serves for that matter.

I'm sure the passengers stuck on Continental Express in KRST last year really appreciate that kind of attitude toward contingency planning.

 

[waveflyer]

Ahh- the safety card again...

If you're landing on an island in the middle of nowhere reserves are upped for a reason-

A vast majority of fuel "emergencies" I've seen in the lower 48 were induced by the crew- sorry- but it's rare that we do everything right and have fuel issues- it's about being strong- not exercising our authority and throwing on comfort gas that costs our industry millions in a weak attempt to be strong bc in REALITY you don't want to truly think and analyze your particular flight & scenario-

if the shoe fits...

 

[Scope out RJ's]

This is getting dumb-

It shouldn't get to emergency status- judgement should divert you before that- And have the plan in mind before you leave your departure city-

Online is better than offline- and noone's suggesting landing at a 3000' grass strip in bumblef&%^ with no services....

We simply don't need to plan to land every flight with twice the legal fuel for the 1 in 100 scenario. Many of us are wasting a lot of money for no good reason.

Us? Us? The mouse in your pocket doesn't count sparky!
Those decisions are between captain and dispatcher!
Not some pft junior newhire puke!