Tiger Meet?

[popgoesbubble]

Ok Guys can anyone tell me why the Air Force, Navy, Marines do not participate in Tiger Meets?

Is because were Not European enough? or that we already have the finest Military Aviator's/Leadership/ Military as the Euro Trash do not? (Except) the British.

I'm getting on my soap box as I am sick and tired of reading about how the Euro Trash Nation don't pull there own weight in anything the Germans the Italians the French the List goes on wheather it be in Iraq or Afghanistan we don't get any help yet we contribute to the Bosnia Mission still which is on European Soil.

I read in a Military journel that the Germans don't let there Helo pilots fly at Night in Afghanistan? WTF

I know that during Gulf War 1 the Italians sent a Squadron of Tornado to the war but on day 1 all but one failed to hit the Night tanker before pushing into Iraq and that one plane ended up getting Shot down.

France has a large ground Army and a pretty good tank with a name that sounds like a Dessert dish yet during Gulf war 1/2 Afghanistan and elsewhere they choose to send in the Legion instead.

The European commitment to ISAF I think is pretty poor the French, Germans Italians Spanish etc all have good equipment and good trained SOF yet seem to not want to send there Military anywhere. I respect the British Military even though I still think they should be buying the F-35C like our Navy but the rest of Europe I think there military is for Air show performance's only.

 

[AirBadger]

From an ig'nant civilian perspective: I'm guessing it would be kind of redundant since we host Red Flag, and I think most of the NATO countries participate in that.

 

[popgoesbubble]

That's Right Air Badger they Do participate in Red Flag from time to time and that's about all they Do!

Your comment about being a Civilian was funny though see how you yourself are one. So I was looking someone with "Military Experence" to Commit on this Not another Civilian Wanna Be Like yourself.

I think we have the Finest Military in the World but I am getting tired of reading about how the Euro's don't pull there own weight.

Look at the facts for the past 40 years the biggest threat to Western Eruope was the massive Soviet Armor yet it's 2008 and they Eruo's are just Now fielding a Attack Helocopter?

 

[gcsass]

I know of a unit that goes to tiger meets on a fairly regular basis....

Tiger, Tiger, Tiger..........

 

[PsubS]

Roar!

.....DEAD BUG!!!!

 

[flyburg]

Well, I guess I fail to see the link between the states not participating in the tiger meet and your complaint about the "eurotrash" not doing enough!

however, the complaint about the eurotrash is pretty disrespectfull of the countries that are participating in the campaigns in Iraq and afghanistan, fighting side by side with the US. They are pulling their weight and they have suffered casualties as a result.

The Netherlands have based SF, apache helicopters (yes, they have had them since last century) and F16's in afghanistan. All have seen extensive combat and casualties have been suffered.

We definitely have not contributed as much as the US but exactly what would you expect from a country with 16 million people. How many dead soldiers should we have before we have "pulled our weight" and start to count in your opinion?

Anyways, your appreciation for our effort and suffered casualties has been noted.

 

[stonewall]

I like the Dutch...even had a couple as my IP's at Sheppard. I've flown with Belgian, Dutch, Taiwanese, and Norwegian F-16 pilots. From what I've seen, the Dutch are very good at it. Not as good as us , but still pretty good.

Brits are also very capable fighter pilots. I appreciate their efforts.

 

[flyburg]

From what I've seen, the Dutch are very good at it. Not as good as us , but still pretty good.

Funny, I got a lot of college's that are ex fighter jocks and they say the exact opposite (the US guys are pretty good, not as good as us but still pretty good)

 

[stonewall]

Funny, I got a lot of college's that are ex fighter jocks and they say the exact opposite (the US guys are pretty good, not as good as us but still pretty good)

They fail to realize that we taught them everything they know...but not everything we know.

 

[Pistlpetet]

You can't blame the Euro militaries for the lack of participation. Their hands are absolutely tied by their socialist, liberal, bleeding heart, and pacifist governments that lead them and establish policy.

The guys I know would love nothing more then to be giving the good news to the AQ.

 

[Mud Eagle]

We're too busy fighting the GWOT.

 

[McGillicutty]

We're too busy fighting the GWOT.

Bingo.

 

[AirBadger]

You mean The War Against Terror?

 

[popgoesbubble]

The Netherlands have based SF, apache helicopters (yes, they have had them since last century) and F16's in afghanistan. All have seen extensive combat and casualties have been suffered.

We definitely have not contributed as much as the US but exactly what would you expect from a country with 16 million people. How many dead soldiers should we have before we have "pulled our weight" and start to count in your opinion?

Anyways, your appreciation for our effort and suffered casualties has been noted.[/quote]


Yes they have sent apaache's and F-16's but I read an article where they said that during there 6 month deployment they didn't have to fire a single shot in Anger! how is this possibe? I've see photo's of US A-10 F-16,F-18 and Britsh GR7/9 coming home with Bomb tally's on there nose's that look like a WW 2 Bomber.

the article went on explain how a British SOF convoy was coming under Morter and small arms fire and requested air support when the Apache's did arrive they flew what is called low passes or show of force and the Taliban or Al Qaeda then retreated to the hills. Now if I was a one of those british SAS or Royal Marines on the ground I probably would have shot at the helocopter for not engaging the enemy. Why would you want to give your enemy that has sworn to kill you the ability to disengage and live to fight another day?

I'm sure there are good leaders in the Dutch, French, German, Spanish and maybe the Italian Armed Forces but i still think there leaders and the civilians of these countries need to start pulling alittle more of there own weight and increase the Military spending. I like how the germans are spending money on P-3 MPA aircraft with no threat in sight from a russian sub. while our own Navy is drawing down this fleet.

One thing that is interesting to point out that former Warsaw pact nations Poland, Bulgaria and others seem more willing to help out in these times and these nations are alot poorer then the Western members of NATO.

 

[LJDRVR]

Now if I was a one of those british SAS or Royal Marines on the ground I probably would have shot at the helocopter for not engaging the enemy. Why would you want to give your enemy that has sworn to kill you the ability to disengage and live to fight another day?

Is that you John Wayne? You just lost all credibility there.

Perhaps you were former SF and are drawing on your past experience operating a convoy in a hostile area. Perhaps you were an helicopter attack pilot, and are well-versed in what the Italian's ROE were that particular mission.

or,

Perhaps you should leave the war-fighting to the professionals and keep your editorial comments to yourself.

 

[popgoesbubble]

Is that you John Wayne? You just lost all credibility there.

Perhaps you were former SF and are drawing on your past experience operating a convoy in a hostile area. Perhaps you were an helicopter attack pilot, and are well-versed in what the Italian's ROE were that particular mission.

or,

Perhaps you should leave the war-fighting to the professionals and keep your editorial comments to yourself.

First Off Lav Jet Driver I'm Not Attacking any of our Brave Men and Women that continue to serve and Protect this great Nation. I Only want our Military to sucseed in any conflict I want them to be the best trained and Armed that my Tax dollars can Buy!

Do I think the Euro's could do alot more "YES" you did hit a good point on ROE and Yes alot of the Euro's have alot more restrictive ROE when it come's to conducting Combat Op's in a war zone.

Look at Italy for example flying F104ASM Starfighters into 2000? most of there Tornado's, AMX don't have Link 16 or NVG capabilities or the ability to self Laser PGM's or other smart munitions. This goes on with alot of other eruo countries there just now starting to update there aircraft.

Now Polands getting some good F-16's think there Bock 50 but there not getting the M4.2+ update like our Block 50's but atleast they are buying an aircraft that is capable of fighting in the current war zones our forces are engaged in and our contributing forces and our alot poorer then France, Germany oh and the Netherlands.

 

[flyburg]

Sjeezs,

I regret having responded to your post seriously in the first place, makes me look like an idiot.

It's pretty obvious by looking at your writing skills and arguments you're either very drunk or something is very wrong with you.

Have fun with the euro bashing.

 

[LJDRVR]

First Off Lav Jet Driver I'm Not Attacking any of our Brave Men and Women that continue to serve and Protect this great Nation. I Only want our Military to sucseed in any conflict I want them to be the best trained and Armed that my Tax dollars can Buy!

It doesn't say that anywhere in your posts. You do however, suggest that you would open fire on a coalition aircraft, a move that depending on the situation, could get you and your friends very dead, very fast. If the Apache crew was in possession of really good SA, you'd live, only to be court- martialed.

I'll reiterate my original thought: you've lost all credibility here.

Read the following sentence again, it wasn't meant to insult you, it's simply some good advice:

Perhaps you should leave the war-fighting to the professionals and keep your editorial comments to yourself.

 

[737 Pylt]

It doesn't say that anywhere in your posts. You do however, suggest that you would open fire on a coalition aircraft, a move that depending on the situation, could get you and your friends very dead, very fast. If the Apache crew was in possession of really good SA, you'd live, only to be court- martialed.

I'll reiterate my original thought: you've lost all credibility here.

Read the following sentence again, it wasn't meant to insult you, it's simply some good advice:

Perhaps you should leave the war-fighting to the professionals and keep your editorial comments to yourself.

LJDRVR:
Don't worry too much about pop. His experience (or lack thereof) speaks for itself. The only kind of advice to get from him is, what kind of disinfectant cleans the lav toilet the best, or what's hot in XBox. Other than that, he's pretty useless. Just ask his captains.
Later,
737

 

[popgoesbubble]

Oh Bill your Back So how was your Time OFF from being Banned by the Moderator Not Once but Twice! Wow! one Life left Bill.

For those of you that don't Know 737Pylt or his other Usernames Scope Out RJ's, HeavySet, General Lee He's become quite a Legend on the Boards. It's Amazing that your still try and keep.

Now he's gonna come back and Denie it but I use to work with this guy at the same airline unfortunately and he had little man syndrome back then and it still an Issue.