The DELTA solution?

[enigma]

Sorry for the new string, but I have a question.

On another string, someone reminded someone else to be patient and mentioned that the solution was a four year plan.

It seems to me that Delta is acting as if they don't have four months, no less four years.

Leaving me with the obvious question. How will Delta survive for the first three years of the solution considering the amount of cash they are presently burning?


Good Luck to us all,
enigma

 

[MedFlyer]

If all employees take paycuts (not just pilots) PLUS DL gets concessions from creditors, that could potentially save DL around $2 Billion dollars annually. These cuts would likely buy time for DL to restructure over the next few years.

 

[General Lee]

I bet our pilots will give close to $1 billion a year(?), and the non-union employees will be forced to give quite a bit also. Throw in some money from some creditors, vendors, and lenders---and Delta will try to get back on it's feet. Then, as oil prices go down (they have gone down almost $8 a barrel as of late to around $42 a barrel--which is better than it was) and possibly one or two other carriers cease to exist unfortunately---they may have a good chance of surviving this rough patch.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dtfl]

Hope so...

General - you always seem to have a positive attitude. Thanks
Now.....I am not sooo sure about our pilot's taking concessions. I flew back from a TDY last week and spoke with one flight crew - one of the pilot's said something to the effect of being tired of it and being ready to take us into bankruptcy to let the judge decide. Another buddy from a reserve unit got back during a recent recall and had friends (not furloughed) who said the same. I know you are on the line and I only hear from a few - but it seems like those "few" are growing in #! A buddy at CAL was playing devils advocate and said, today - that the guys negotiating for us are also the guys who can probably retire early? He said it wouldnt surprise him if they took the company for all it was worth. Now, again - he was PLAYING devil's advocate...but it worries me.
You are on the line- what are the attitudes of most of the pilots? Hell, I got hired under the pre 2k contract and made what we will make AFTER a cut. I was happy as hell. See - this kid has wanted to work at Big D since he was little...so I don't care if take a cut. However, I don't want to work for peanuts..... (IMO - the more RJs the lower the industry pay rates) ...but I am happy to work for less, knowing I will be at a great, big, GREAT company!

 

[General Lee]

dtfl,

Most of the guys I fly with know we are in a precarious situation and want it resolved. They mostly know that we are paid a lot more currently and that what we make isn't the "going rate" anymore. I haven't heard one guy say "full pay to the last day", although some have been saying they wouldn't give 35%----they think mid twenties is enough. I think the MEC will decide how much we should give, and maybe that is 30% or more. They have the books, and our negotiators will have to LIVE WITH what we get---no early retirements for them. Also, many of the guys I have flown with as of late were fairly senior 767 Captains, and they were ready to bail out---and that was BEFORE my crappy landings too!



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Sig]

You are on the line- what are the attitudes of most of the pilots? However, I don't want to work for peanuts..... (IMO - the more RJs the lower the industry pay rates) ...but I am happy to work for less, knowing I will be at a great, big, GREAT company!

I just wonder-

how much have the Delta pilots given up, versus how much has been taken away? I mean, certainly they have stood behind the maintenance crews (that are non-union), right? Thank God for that.

Wait a second- did Delta strip the mechanics of their pensions? Were their insurance bennies reduced? What if you were a 75- mech in DFW, watched the sh!tstorm from the sidelines, watched your career take a dump because the top few were a gung-ho group of Delta-family-Kool-Aid suicide squad members and therefore wouldn't organize- that's an insult to mama Delta-- and twiddled your thumbs at the bottom of a seniority (snort) list for years...

then you are expected to sympathize with the poor guys with the huge threat of loss of income over their heads? C'mon! The fight isn't nearly as noble as you want it to appear. Others have lost much more than you ever will, prior to you ever being threatened.

This guy was hired 13 years ago. Were you? He's the only one I know of specifically. He's the one I call "Dad".

Hey, I'm ALPA now. I ain't sanctimonious, probably too new to this to be so. Dad isn't. He has more class than I.

I'm sick and tired of lurking on this board and watching a pilot group whinge and shudder over trying to live on slave's wages with the attitude of they've given up sooooo muuuuchhhhh lately, without giving up a dam^ed thing.... and my father-in-law goes to work, doesn't complain, does his job, and comes home. This, after Delta sucked his future out from under him. No complaints, just more hardship. He has a gorgeous house in an unsellable part of the DFW area, no retirement, no real [delta] solution in sight. Again, no complaints.

Fuc]{ you if you want to argue this; you're wrong.

It's great that you're willing to give up some.

Realize that others in your company have given up tremendous amounts without the option of voting, grievances or strikes.

 

[General Lee]

He and his mechanic friends should have gone union. Sorry, I am sure he is a great guy. You ALWAYS NEED PROTECTION. And, if you are NOT WILLING TO PAY FOR IT, then YOU WILL LOSE OUT. YOU CAN ONLY TRUST MANAGEMENT SOOOOOO MUCH.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CF34-3B1]

and that was BEFORE my crappy landings too!
Bye Bye--General Lee

**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, was that you General?

I thought they were doing a practice autoland the other day.

My back still hurts.

 

[Sinca3]

dtfl,

and they were ready to bail out---and that was BEFORE my crappy landings too!

Bye Bye--General Lee

I knew I was on your flight.....!!! : )
Cheers

 

[General Lee]

Those senior Captains don't seem to like my "nose wheel first" landings too much.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Hey, why waste all that concrete trying to be smooth!!! LOL

 

[FDJ2]

A buddy at CAL was playing devils advocate and said, today - that the guys negotiating for us are also the guys who can probably retire early? He said it wouldnt surprise him if they took the company for all it was worth. Now, again - he was PLAYING devil's advocate...but it worries me.

Your buddy from CAL obviously doesn't know our MEC Chairman or our negotiating committee, who are all "dead zoners" in their mid 40's and are not in a position to retire and would have to work under the terms of a new contract just as long as you would.

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

and that was BEFORE my crappy landings too!

Bye Bye--General Lee

Yeah, but at least you get your 3 landings out of the way in one shot, right!?

 

[General Lee]

That's true, I guess I am landing current from only one approach. Awesome!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dtfl]

k.

General-Good to hear the consensus isn't all "max pay..." Still, this nail biting sucks. PS I love your sig. On my going away plaque (from my 1st AD squadron) they put "Ride the Snake" We saw that episode while sitting on alert overseas during the good ole days of the Bosnians and Serbs..back when we could go have a beer while on TDY....

FDJ2 - Like I said - he wa playing devil's advocate- but it makes me feel good to know our MEC will be working under whatever contract we get. That lets me know they have all our interests in mind. We furloughees don't get that type of info....

Sig - You have issues. Regardless of what you are tired of I am tired of posting on here and having someone have a fit about my post and nitpick everything. Ya know what I gave up? My JOB! Leo furloughed me and I had to go fight a war in Afghanistan (did YOU fight for us?) to make a living. I was mobilized for 2 years. Now I work here and there and pick up trips in the reserves to make a living. So I know about giving up....oh and I am still furloughed, thank you.