The 50 seat my still have a future

[MugsyMalone]

Read this article for a detailed analysis.

http://www.oliverwyman.com/pdf_files/OW_EN_AAD_PUBL_2010_50_Seat_Jet.pdf

 

[79%N1]

The genital is in convulsion somewhere!

 

[General Lee]

Doesn't sound so good to me.......

From the Report:



Extending the life of existing 50-seat jets:​

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As these
aircraft get older, they could be refurbished to
extend their life. Radical airframe modification,
however, a critical part of the process, is expected
to run into the millions of dollars per aircraft
and would necessitate frequent heavy airframe
checks thereafter. Regional airlines would need to
be willing to make a significant investment in the
refurbishment process. According to Oliver Wyman
cost analysis, refurbishment is unlikely to generate
sufficient cost savings for life extension to be a
viable long-term solution.

A significant decrease in operating costs through
technological upgrades is another prerequisite
for extending the life of existing 50-seat jets:
Improvements in technology, such as in engine
design, can decrease fuel consumption and provide
other cost advantages. However, investment cost
is highly variable with the type of technology
upgrade, plus operators must wait until a major
change in technology is available. For a 50-seat jet,
the most effective “technological upgrade” would
be an airframe refurbishment, which goes back to
the economically difficult option described above of
extending the aircraft’s life.


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I don't know, this kind of sounds like what Comair is going through. When their planes come up for major mx checks, they are scrapped. With the amount of cycles your RJs are doing each day, they get closer and closer to the boneyard. RJ manufacturers didn't initially expect the number of cycles you guys put on your planes. Private Jets don't fly that many times per day normally, and the CL65 is just a stretched Challenger in reality. I don't know.....



Bye Bye---General Lee​

 

[Fubijaakr]

50 sweaters are dead. Period end of story.

 

[captainv]

I don't know, this kind of sounds like what Comair is going through. When their planes come up for major mx checks, they are scrapped.

Nah, that would cost money! The aircraft that have left the fleet thus far have been returned to their owners. Some have gone to other regionals, but most end up sitting in the desert. The only one I know that was scrapped was the oldest bird in Comair's fleet, ship 7011. Wells Fargo sold it to Bombardier so they could tear it apart and see how well it held up after 17 years.

 

[General Lee]

Nah, that would cost money! The aircraft that have left the fleet thus far have been returned to their owners. Some have gone to other regionals, but most end up sitting in the desert. The only one I know that was scrapped was the oldest bird in Comair's fleet, ship 7011. Wells Fargo sold it to Bombardier so they could tear it apart and see how well it held up after 17 years.

I was told that the reason was the upcoming mx expense. Too many cycles for a plane that originally was a biz jet.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

OysYoYo off today putz?

 

[CA1900]

50 sweaters are dead.

Gonna make for a cold winter...

 

[dojetdriver]

50 sweaters are dead. Period end of story.

Agreed, just like the 19 seat sweaters are dead, the 29 seat sweaters, the 37/50 seat sweaters, etc etc etc (rolleyes)

The 50 sweater will ALWAYS have a place. Just not like it did, and not nearly they had on the scale of the days of yore when gas was cheaper. As well the overall labor costs to operate them as well.

 

[Freebrd]

I nevah liked 'sweaters' anyway

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

Yea, whats up with those? Looks like a bunch of sub commander wannabes. Seamen in sweaters I say! Ha

 

[On Your Six]

Yea, whats up with those? Looks like a bunch of sub commander wannabes. Seamen in sweaters I say! Ha

You probably will never find out.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[Flybywire44]

If anything you'll see turbo-props come back.

 

[makersmarc]

Deferred APU, deferred pack, 47 pax plus 3 crew, long LGA taxi in August = 50 sweater