Texstar crash

[wingnutt]

i hear that 402ME went down this morning at 0530-ish with one of the newer pilots, possibly scud-running...any truth to all this?

 

[jetdriven]

if so this will be their 3rd fatal crash in 4 years. 402ME was one of their best planes too.

 

[Benzene]

Good pilot dies to early in life

However this ends up, I hope he is in a better place.

 

[jetdriven]

N402ME

i remember that plane well, I have a lot of hours in it. It had RAM props with no VG's, plus had the higher gross weight. If I remember we used to launch out of DTO early and go to dallas love, to do the qualex.
It was one of the strongest planes they had, the only thing I didnt like about it was the KX-170 radios, but it had a GPS.
Im really sorry for your pilot. You can bet it was mechanical failure of some sort. I hope they figure it out. His family should sue.

 

[givpicachanc]

Its Strange. I begged for this job. I walked my resume about 3 times. Finally got a call in August of 2002 from Poul Morse and was offerd the job i declined it for a chief pilot position at a flight school. My heat goes out to his family and freinds.May God bless your soul.

 

[starchkr]

Everyone should look at the post on the General board, it has more info. The news reporting about him not able to maintain his position was somewhat correct, his words were "my attitude indicator doesn't seem right, I can't maintain a heading." Then he asked for help with direction to DAL. App agreed to help and told him to enter a right turn with which he replied "TexStar 114, right turn." These were the last words spoken by Nick on his dreadful flight. App soon after giving him the right turn asked him to begin a turn to the left, of which there was no further reply from Texstar 114. App called him about 5 more times with no answer, then switched myself and other A/C promptly off frequency. I monitored the freq on my #2 for the next 30 mins and heard not a word spoken.

It is kind of strange sitting here thinking about hearing his last words and knowing him from our conversations in the past. I kind of hoped for the best after my flight, only to learn of the worst when i got home that afternoon. Scary, VERY scary. He didn't even seem the least bit scared in his voice when he spoke with App either.

Alright, I can't talk any more about it right now, but i can try to give more details later.

 

[Benzene]

Gone but not forgotten

A good buddy and friend
would that it did not have to end

 

[wingnutt]

well, as much as it does suck, im glad he wasnt scud running. pilot error is one thing, mechanical failure is another...not that i wish either on anyone. wasnt he recently married too?

the question is now, what happens to Texstar???

 

[falcondriver]

Hey guys. I know the guy who was killed. I don't know what happened and neither does the FAA. This guys close friends and possibly family are watching this board. Please don't speculate the cause unless you have facts. His father is a pilot and may be watching.
He will be missed regardless of the cause.
I appreciate your help on this matter.
Sincerely,
Falcondriver

 

[MetroSheriff]

A couple of you guys, in particular the former employees are really showing a lack of maturity and professionalism. You know exactly who you are.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[Benzene]

I appologues as my greif has turned to rage and that into total madness. I have never had a peer and friend die so tragicly. I hope it does not happen again but my mentors inform me that it is one of those things that occur from time to time. My prayers go out to the family particularly, but I hope that each of you find your own peace in this time of turmoil.

 

[jetdriven]

A couple of you guys, in particular the former employees are really showing a lack of maturity and professionalism. You know exactly who you are.

why dont you just come out and say who you are talking about, Metro. I show no lack of prefessionalism.

 

[flystrait]

Metrosheriff

Hey MetroMan--

That you, DM?? You must have way to much time on your hands with all these posts.... Whats the word??

Tell the better half hello.

 

[Thunderchicken]

The aircraft had just had an overhauled attitude indicator put in the day before. It appears that it may have been the cause of the problem. I was shocked to find out that this had occurred. I met the guy the day before when I jumpseated home with him from Whichita. My prayers for his family.

 

[gundriver]

Hey B.B. How's it going up in ole Kansas?

 

[falcondriver]

Hey, I've been in and out of Mexico for six days. I have been out of the loop to say the least, has anybody heard any FAA information on the crash?????
Thanks
falcondriver

 

[starchkr]

I hate to bring this up and revive old memories of the day this happened, but i heard there is going to be a charity golf tournament in Corinth with all the proceeds raised going to a scholarship fund set up in Nick's name. I just heard the name and where it was, but i did not catch the day. I believe they said it was at the Corinth Country Club.

Just some FYI for anyone who knew him.

 

[roughneck]

Please post any info you get on this. I know of several guys who would be interested in playing.

Thanks

 

[wingnutt]

...charity golf tournament in Corinth with all the proceeds raised going to a scholarship fund set up in Nick's name.

yes please...more info and i will pass it around

 

[Benzene]

Getting the Word Out

I have been out the country for a while and just heard of the golfing event. I know right after the negligent homocide many controllers asked if any charitable contribution was possible. As such, it might be a good idea to place it in the news and post it on a couple of the controller web sites. Tears still well up inside when I think of him and the extinguishing of his bright flame.

 

[wingnutt]

Re: Getting the Word Out

...negligent homocide...

ummm... thats the first i heard this term being used. is the cause official, or is that just a quick thought???

 

[WrightAvia]

there is no final report from the NTSB..

It's still listed as a PRELIM.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20021230X05643&key=1

Negligent Homicide Benzene? Get real.

 

[Benzene]

Res ipsa loquitor

Negligent:
n. Failure to exercise the care toward others which a reasonable or prudent person would do in the circumstances, or taking action which such a reasonable person would not. Negligence is accidental as distinguished from "intentional torts" (assault or trespass, for example) or from crimes, but a crime can also constitute negligence, such as reckless driving. Negligence can result in all types of accidents causing physical and/or property damage, but can also include business errors and miscalculations, such as a sloppy land survey. In making a claim for damages based on an allegation of another's negligence, the injured party (plaintiff) must prove: a) that the party alleged to be negligent had a duty to the injured party-specifically to the one injured or to the general public, b) that the defendant's action (or failure to act) was negligent-not what a reasonably prudent person would have done, c) that the damages were caused ("proximately caused") by the negligence. An added factor in the formula for determining negligence is whether the damages were "reasonably foreseeable" at the time of the alleged carelessness. If the injury is caused by something owned or controlled by the supposedly negligent party, but how the accident actually occurred is not known (like a ton of bricks falls from a construction job), negligence can be found based on the doctrine of res ipsa loquitor (Latin for "the thing speaks for itself"). Furthermore, in six states (Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, Maryland) and the District of Columbia, an injured party will be denied any judgment (payment) if found to have been guilty of even slight "contributory negligence" in the accident. This archaic and unfair rule has been replaced by "comparative negligence" in the other 44 states, in which the negligence of the claimant is balanced with the percentage of blame placed on the other party or parties ("joint tortfeasors") causing the accident. In automobile accident cases in 16 states the head of the household is held liable for damages caused by any member of the family using the car under what is called the "family purpose" doctrine. Nine states (California, New York, Michigan, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada, Rhode Island) make the owner of the vehicle responsible for all damages caused by a driver given permission to use the car, whether or not the negligent driver has assets or insurance to pay a judgment. Eight states (Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia) allow the owner to rebut a presumption that the driver was authorized to use the car. Negligence is one of the greatest sources of litigation (along with contract and business disputes) in the United States.

 

[WrightAvia]

So you're saying benzine....

that the DE that signed off on this guy's ATP is responsible for NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE cause the guy got killed while possibly trying to fly partial panel?

 

[Benzene]

Non sequitar

Thats about as wrong as you can get. Nick had good skills and recency of experience both in type and instrument meterologic conditions.

Going after a D.E. or Instructor is always a terrible idea to start with, particularly in situations like this when it is non sequitar.