Teaching While Flying for the Airlines

[AAflyer]

Anyone out there flying for a 121 company and teaching on the side?

I just got revalidated and it was great!! I am getting really tired of the bullsh1t in this business and find
it refreshing to be around people who just enjoy aviation.

Are there any rules that prohibit this? I presume the 100 hour a month rule, what about being compensated for flying outside your airline?

Just curious, thanks.

AAflyer

 

[LAXSaabdude]

Check your FM1. Eagle prohibits any outside commercial flying, but other than that, I think your right. Flight and duty time would be your only concerns.

LAXSaabdude.

 

[AAflyer]

Lax,


Thanks, just checked it. But, I know so many guys that are flying on the side, teaching, giving rides, DEs,
I wonder if they have waivers or if they are just not telling the company?

Thanks again.

AA

 

[LAXSaabdude]

Lax,


Thanks, just checked it. But, I know so many guys that are flying on the side, teaching, giving rides, DEs,
I wonder if they have waivers or if they are just not telling the company?

Thanks again.

AA

Probably the latter .

But I don't think that being a DE is considered commercial flying, is it?

LAXSaabdude.

 

[AAflyer]

I thought if you were a DE, you were getting paid to give checkrides. Sounds like commercial flying?

I would not charge for flight instruction to get around this, but that is not fair to the instructors that work hard to get the minimal pay they get.

What to do ?

AA

 

[LAXSaabdude]

I thought if you were a DE, you were getting paid to give checkrides. Sounds like commercial flying?

I would not charge for flight instruction to get around this, but that is not fair to the instructors that work hard to get the minimal pay they get.

What to do ?

AA

I just thought the FAA viewed it differently, because someone else is the pilot, the DE is just evaluating.

I think if I was considering instructing, I would just do it with friends and family. Getting hooked up with a flight school or advertising in any way would be opening yourself up for trouble.

LAXSaabdude.

 

[AAflyer]

Good idea,

I guess we always have to watch our 6.

This use to be fun

Fly safe, take care,

AA

 

[FracCapt]

It is pretty cool to experience the newbies again. I teach now and then...usually fairly quick courses(Multi, CFII, MEI, the occasional initial CFI), since I don't want to commit to teaching a primary student and then saying I'm only available every other week. I have, on occasion, gone up with a primary student that was having some trouble with something. Usually all it takes is the perspective of another instructor to help them understand.

Flying as a DPE is not considered commercial flying. Ever remember when you took checkrides how the DPE made it very obvious that "you are the PIC". The DPE is just there to evaluate. The FAA almost considers a DPE more like a passenger. Of course, when the person being evaluated is under a hood, the DPE is the Safety Pilot.

If you are interested in becoming a DPE, start the process now. Go to the forms.faa.gov website, and download the 8710-10 form. Fill it out, send it in. You will be contacted to take the DPE written test. There is no study guide - the best thing to use for study is the CFI test prep. Once you complete the test, your profile will be given a score based on your test and experience level. When a FSDO needs a new DPE(you specify the FSDO's you are willing to work for on your 8710-10), they call Oklahoma City - who them sends them the top 3 rated applicants. The FSDO then interviews those three, and chooses one. If they do not choose one of the three, they cannot request more applicants for 6 months...that's to keep it from becoming a 'good ole boys' network. It's quite possible to be the last to apply but the first to be called if your score is good enough.

 

[AAflyer]

Frac,


Thanks!!! Do you know if theywant a lot of primary instruction? Most of instructing is airline. Would it help to pick up my MEI?. I have A CFI-II, AGI.

Thanks,

AA

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

AA Flyer - your options

AA Flyer

I used to fly outside of the company at TWA, but I had a letter in my file from the CP (Lee Magnusen) before I did it. There are a couple of differences in the type of flying you are considering.

First, part 91 of any kind does not count towards your duty time for 121 or 135. This includes flight instruction.

Second, FM1 "fly for hire" is different. The AA interpretation is different than FARs. From an FAA stand point you are okay to instruct. You are limited to flight and duty times for part 135 or 121 if you fly for another company, which I doubt you are considering.

When I flew outside of TWA it was an HS-125 Captain job for hire. the company letter stated that I was responsible for my flight and duty times, etc. That all came to an end with the implementation of the green book and I had to give up the Hawker job, went non-current, and then was furloughed 10 months later.

Note: There are a number of AA pilots (Native types) that fly outside of the company. One flies the BD jet for Coors, others instruct, teach ground school, etc. Others have owned or own part of a flying service and have flown as part of their business. These pilots have/had been called in to the AA CP's office to explain their operation, but no official action was ever taken to my knowledge. You could PM me and I will put you in contact with them.

My opinion: You should be fine to instruct part 91. If it were me, I would ask for cash or maybe personal check directly, not through an FBO or any kind of flying service. If you receive a paycheck from an FBO for instruction, you are exposing yourself. Many FBOs and military flight clubs will allow you to fly as a contract instructor. You may need to "give them a taste of the gig".

It is fun to instruct; I always enjoyed it.

Good Luck,

Jeff

 

[AAflyer]

Thanks Jeff,


Very sorry to hear about the furlough, there are too many of you guys that got wacked. I have encountered nothing but professionals from the "Boys in STL". I hope things will work out, and you are back in the cockpit soon. I will PM you. What you described is exactly what I want to do. I will check the FM 1 again.

It is nice to be around the young (or at heart) aviation worshipers. I see the look on their face and it brings me back when I got so much more enjoyment out of it.

Thanks Again,

AA

 

[FracCapt]

Thanks!!! Do you know if theywant a lot of primary instruction? Most of instructing is airline. Would it help to pick up my MEI?. I have A CFI-II, AGI.

It's kind of like the old question about how do the airlines rate applications.....nobody on the outside really knows. I suspect it's all done by computer, and they just input the numbers and a computer spits out a score. The application does not ask for primary instruction - it just asks how much instruction and how much instrument instruction. You'd have to call OK City to see if your time as an airline instructor counts or not. Check out the 8710-10 - it gives a breakdown of the requirements.