Taking ATP checkride with expired written

[beechscum]

I am currently employed with a 121 air carrier as an FO and want to go outside the company to get an ATP license since upgrades at my company have come to a stand-still. The only regs I have found pertaining to this situation is in part 61.39. It does state that a person may take the ATP practical with an expired written test provide, a. employed by 121 air carrier, AND b.has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved pic qualification training program, etc.

I have talked to the examiner that would give the checkride and I also called the local FSDO and talked to an inspector. They both said I could take the practical.
I still don't feel comfortable with this situation because the way the reg. reads I need to do the practical with my company. Again I am a FO, I have only passed sic training course with this company.

If anybody has anything in writing that can prove I can take the practical without going through the company would be appreciated. Otherwise I guess I have to take another written test?

 

[ultrarunner]

I am currently employed with a 121 air carrier as an FO and want to go outside the company to get an ATP license since upgrades at my company have come to a stand-still. The only regs I have found pertaining to this situation is in part 61.39. It does state that a person may take the ATP practical with an expired written test provide, a. employed by 121 air carrier, AND b.has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved pic qualification training program, etc.

"...Again I am a FO, I have only passed sic training course with this company..."

Here is what is happening beechscum...the local folks you have talked to are saying that, yes, you can do the practical, but you have to do it through the company. This is because you have NOT completed the PIC training. But should the company PROVIDE this training, the FAA will gladly issue you the ATP/Type rating (provided you pass). As required in the FAR's.

Here is my advice. Whenever you can 'take the company out of the loop, the better'.

Go re-take the written, and get the ATP on your own. It'll be a few bucks well spent. Unless of course you've got a hard-on for the type rating of the plane you're in.

 

[beechscum]

yes, ultrarunner, my gut instinct agrees with you. I hate that *#&@ written test, would just soon take a sledge hammer to the stomach as retake it. I'm afraid I don't have a choice though.

thanks

 

[ultrarunner]

I hear ya beechscum, I hear ya. But ya know, grab that ATP study guide, go throght it two or three times on an RON, and go take that sucker, and you'll be good to go.

Heck, what other test can you study for that gives you ALL the questions and ALL the answers....

is it any wonder that FSDO's are staffed with...

oh, never mind.

 

[A Squared]

The regulation is obviously intended for pilots upgradign to captain at thier airline. However, I have heard more than once that certain FSDO's will also accept an expired written for an ATP done outside of the company. Now, it theory, things shouldn't differ from FSDO to FSDO, but in reality, they do to some degree. If the FSDO and the examier agree that it is ok, why not do it?

 

[vclean]

Although your local FSDO may permit you to take a pt 91 ATP ride with an expired
written, it would likely be rejected by Oklahoma City.

 

[Hung Start]

Heck,,, be a man! Take the written over. It's not like your studying the Fundamentals of Instruction!

And, you do miss Martha King, doncha????

 

[bobbysamd]

ATP on your nickel

Go re-take the written, and get the ATP on your own. It'll be a few bucks well spent. Unless of course you've got a hard-on for the type rating of the plane you're in.

Excellent advice. Studying for writtens and/or going to class is a lot of trouble, but it won't be as bad as you think. Further, what a lot of people have done is take the practical in a simple single. Your certificate will still read "Airline Transport Pilot." Your Commercial multi privileges would be upgraded during your PIC upgrade ride. Finally, your out-of-pocket costs for taking the ATP are fully tax-deductable if you itemize.

Good luck with your practical.

 

[beechscum]

thanks for the replies gang. I definately don't want to go through the practical and be out the money to have it rejected in OKC. I will probably be re-taking the darn thing.

thanks

 

[nosehair]

Although your local FSDO may permit you to take a pt 91 ATP ride with an expired
written, it would likely be rejected by Oklahoma City.

...and where is your head, Man?
Where, on the 8710, or the Examiners report, or any other documents of pilot certification, do you put down where you work and what you do?