Swap Denied

[No Delay]

11 Feb was awarded to a pilot who was not eligible to bid


What does that mean?

 

[OCP]

I can't help you out for that one, but mine was trying to swap an off day for a reserve day. Used to be able to do that via open time swap on flica. This is what they tell me... "CS: Reserve day swaps must be requested through mutual trades. Reference 13.J.3"
Oh and guess what... Flica doesn't let you trade anything with your self. It tell you to go to open time and swap it. Hmm.... Great.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

11 Feb was awarded to a pilot who was not eligible to bid


What does that mean?

I'd like to know too. Was this somebody coming out of training or something?

 

[goahead]

No sh_it man same thing happened to me some one ten million numbers junior to me got my trip b/c they needed to make him a line.............
Another great advantage of our new contract

 

[sweptback]

No sh_it man same thing happened to me some one ten million numbers junior to me got my trip b/c they needed to make him a line.............
Another great advantage of our new contract

Um, this happened in the old contract too. If a new upgrade/new hire finishes training (or comes off of leave, etc.) after the bids close, he needs to work. Therefore a line is built for them. These pilots get "super seniority" over everybody else for that one month only, then they go to the bottom of the heap.

While it sucks (I've had a ton of swaps denied over the years because of this), the only difference is that scheduling is actually telling you what is happening, rather than just denying it for "low coverage"...

 

[pipejockey]

If a new upgrade/new hire finishes training (or comes off of leave, etc.) after the bids close, he needs to work. Therefore a line is built for them. These pilots get "super seniority" over everybody else for that one month only, then they go to the bottom of the heap.

Why can't they just assign the newbie reserve days for the remainder of the month?

 

[sweptback]

Why can't they just assign the newbie reserve days for the remainder of the month?

Because the company wants them to get off high mins/consolidation. If they're on reserve and there's not much flying... you know the drill.

 

[pipejockey]

Because the company wants them to get off high mins/consolidation. If they're on reserve and there's not much flying... you know the drill.

I see! being on reserve and not having much flying is something I have never had the good fortune of experiencing.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Why can't they just assign the newbie reserve days for the remainder of the month?

Because that's not what Sweptback and the rest of the CNC negotiated.

 

[shamrock]

Why can't they just assign the newbie reserve days for the remainder of the month?

When I got done with upgrade IOE I had to build a schedule to finish the month. I was senior enough that I could easily hold a line but I didn't finish training until the finals were out. I realize that I may have received some trips out of seniority but to be put on reserve for the remaining 3.5 weeks of the month wouldn't have too fair either. You may have a point if we're talking about a new-hire FO, but every situation is different.

Just playing devil's advocate here. I'd be ticked too if I lost a trip I was trying to pick up/trade for to someone just out of training.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

We're retiring the ATRs and could possibly park some 50-seaters. Maybe we'll get lucky and all the ugrades will stop, then we won't have to worry about trips being given out of seniority order anymore.

How's that sound?

I had one denied too, but as long as it is for upgrades which means movement, I'm ok with it.

Besides, I've flown with Shamrock, and trust me, you don't want him sitting around getting rusty for 3.5 weeks.

 

[HoserASA]

Besides, I've flown with Shamrock, and trust me, you don't want him sitting around getting rusty for 3.5 weeks.

true, true!

Hoser

 

[shamrock]

Sure am feeling the love today. Thanks guys!

 

[outtahere]

Some people are just never happy!

 

[atlcrashpad]

No Soup For You.... bouyyyyyy.....