SWA Memory Items

[Lake Alice]

Settle down kids. Just a joke. It's funny how sensitive SWA folks are.

 

[Flyer1015]

It helps, and is smart, to be spun up BEFORE you go into the game. Advise
him to wait until he gets to training? WHY not be READY? Is this the 'modern' way you approach your profession? Not good boys. Not good.

My type was 10 years and 5 type ratings ago......I feel your pain. I was hoping to get some info just in case. Some day I may get an interview!!!

Cheers

What are you two talking about? In any other REAL airline, you would show up with zero knowledge on the 737 and get FULL training and a FULL type rating on that aircraft. This is how it's done at Continental, Delta, United, or any other 737 operator that doesn't require its applicant to buy their own type rating. I don't understand how you can get a head start when you already have a type rating. Sit back, relax, and show up on day 1 ready to go and learn.

 

[Tripower455]

What are you two talking about? In any other REAL airline, you would show up with zero knowledge on the 737 and get FULL training and a FULL type rating on that aircraft. This is how it's done at Continental, Delta, United, or any other 737 operator that doesn't require its applicant to buy their own type rating. I don't understand how you can get a head start when you already have a type rating. Sit back, relax, and show up on day 1 ready to go and learn.

SW does a full training syllabus as if you don't have the type rating.

I agree, there is nothing to prepare for, as it will be spoon fed to you like any other "REAL" airline.

Unlike other "REAL" airlines, SW has made money for over 40 years.

 

[slaquer5]

What are you two talking about? In any other REAL airline, you would show up with zero knowledge on the 737 and get FULL training and a FULL type rating on that aircraft. This is how it's done at Continental, Delta, United, or any other 737 operator that doesn't require its applicant to buy their own type rating. I don't understand how you can get a head start when you already have a type rating. Sit back, relax, and show up on day 1 ready to go and learn.

Ok I will ask for the 100 th time



Who do you work for ?

 

[Lake Alice]

It doesn't really matter who he works for. He is correct.

 

[Tripower455]

It doesn't really matter who he works for. He is correct.

About what?

 

[Flyer1015]

SW does a full training syllabus as if you don't have the type rating.

I agree, there is nothing to prepare for, as it will be spoon fed to you like any other "REAL" airline.

Unlike other "REAL" airlines, SW has made money for over 40 years.

Of course they have. Up until 9/11 they were the lowest paying 737 operator in the country and the only major airline in the country to require pilots to buy their own type ratings. SWA saved approximately 8,000 on every pilot they've ever hired. After 9/11, the only reason they stayed profitable was because of their fuel hedging. Good for you, but please realize the reason you guys are not the highest paid 737 (and in general) pilots in the country is because of the 9/11 after-effects and because of bankruptcy concessions for the legacies. Now, AA was the last one remaining in the picture. Once they come out with lower wages and less QOL than before, SWA will be the highest cost carrier in the country. Your productivity will only last for so long. The next 10 years your airline, unfortunately, will not be so lucky. Your airline will be forced to realign its costs to compete long term.

 

[slaquer5]

Of course they have. Up until 9/11 they were the lowest paying 737 operator in the country and the only major airline in the country to require pilots to buy their own type ratings. SWA saved approximately 8,000 on every pilot they've ever hired. After 9/11, the only reason they stayed profitable was because of their fuel hedging. Good for you, but please realize the reason you guys are not the highest paid 737 (and in general) pilots in the country is because of the 9/11 after-effects and because of bankruptcy concessions for the legacies. Now, AA was the last one remaining in the picture. Once they come out with lower wages and less QOL than before, SWA will be the highest cost carrier in the country. Your productivity will only last for so long. The next 10 years your airline, unfortunately, will not be so lucky. Your airline will be forced to realign its costs to compete long term.

So you fly for Pinnacle and you get joy out of seeing the Majors take pay cuts. You also want to see SWA take pay cuts.


You're very bitter towards anyone that has something you want. You might want to seek help as you need help in a major way.

You are also wrong about our pay prior to 9/11.








PS. Are you kidding me you do not even have 1500 hrs. You truly are the nerd that alway got beat up

You never wanted our jobs huh FLYER1015?

"I used to care about Mesaba, but know, with their arrogant attitude, I'm actually looking forward to the big red stapler from Office Space. "
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Unbelieveable how much you think you know about this industry and come to find out you don't even have ATP mins.

Enjoy the next 2 years in the right seat, or better yet why don't you make everyone happy and just move on.

 

[Tripower455]

Of course they have. Up until 9/11 they were the lowest paying 737 operator in the country and the only major airline in the country to require pilots to buy their own type ratings. SWA saved approximately 8,000 on every pilot they've ever hired.

How did/do we save $8k on every pilot? SW is my 8th 135/121 airline, and I got the same, (or more) training at SW as I did at any of the others. The type rating requirement has nothing to do with saving $$$ on training. More likely, it might save on insurance and is used to gauge level of commitment in applicants. I don't agree with it, but I am sure glad I got one. Mine is paid for every 6 days I go to work. At straight time.

After 9/11, the only reason they stayed profitable was because of their fuel hedging. Good for you, but please realize the reason you guys are not the highest paid 737 (and in general) pilots in the country is because of the 9/11 after-effects and because of bankruptcy concessions for the legacies.

Does that really matter? We not only became (among) the highest paid because everyone else went down, we actually have gotten raises in the last 10 years. Doesn't that tell you something? SW knows how to make money, as we were able to do it even after one of the worst aviation disaster of all time.

Now, AA was the last one remaining in the picture. Once they come out with lower wages and less QOL than before, SWA will be the highest cost carrier in the country. Your productivity will only last for so long. The next 10 years your airline, unfortunately, will not be so lucky. Your airline will be forced to realign its costs to compete long term.

You may be right, but if anyone has a chance of making it, we do.

Wanna trade jobs?

 

[Flyer1015]

So you fly for Pinnacle and you get joy out of seeing the Majors take pay cuts. You also want to see SWA take pay cuts.

You're very bitter towards anyone that has something you want. You might want to seek help as you need help in a major way.

You are also wrong about our pay prior to 9/11.

That's not true. I don't want nor enjoy seeing majors take paycuts. Why would you think this? All I stated was that now that every legacy has taken paycuts, SWA will have to realign its costs to remain competitive. You didn't hear it from me, Kelly said so in a recent article that was published. I want to move on from my current employer so why would I want all my potential future employers to be giving paycuts to their pilots? That doesn't make any sense.

PS. Are you kidding me you do not even have 1500 hrs. You truly are the nerd that alway got beat up

Not sure why you'd think this, but I have an ATP-ME and a little over 4300 total. Moot point, because hardly anyone is hiring these days. That red stapler from Office Job was a joke reference in a time regarding SLI talks, just to get people riled up.

gauge level of commitment in applicants.

Problem with this is there are tons of guys I know who took that leap of faith, spent between 5 to 8500 on a 737 type, only to: get an interview and then not get hired, or the more likely still haven't been called for years, and get the email "thanks for applying, we already found someone more qualified."

You may be right, but if anyone has a chance of making it, we do.

I never said you wouldn't make it, I simply said SWA will be forced to realign its costs in line with the new LCC legacies, just as Kelly said.

 

[Tripower455]

Problem with this is there are tons of guys I know who took that leap of faith, spent between 5 to 8500 on a 737 type, only to: get an interview and then not get hired, or the more likely still haven't been called for years, and get the email "thanks for applying, we already found someone more qualified."

And I can name over 6000 people that did take that leap of faith, and got hired (well, I can't remember when we changed to not requiring the type for the interview. Those guys really don't count since they knew they were hired before buying it).

Your point? This entire career is one big gamble. You decide if the risk is worth the reward. If you don't have or don't want to get the 737 type, then SW isn't the place for you. Why bash us at every opportunity? Apply somewhere else and enjoy your life.

Personally, I think that the type requirement is stupid, since it does preclude a lot of very qualified pilots from getting hired. We don't seem to have trouble hiring anyone though, so we must be doing something right.

FWIW, I was in your boat in the early '90s. NOBODY except WN was hiring, and I had a lot more time than you have. I ponied up for the type, thinking all the things that you are talking about, and got hired first try. I took that leap of faith out of desperation to leave the regionals after ten years and it worked.

I got lucky, and don't regret one cent or the considerable effort I made to get the type, trying to work around a 19 day per month regional schedule.

Every day I wake up and thank the stars that I didn't meet Delta's hiring qualifications, and that UAL was running their EEOC hiring program, where 500 hours (for "certain" people) equals 7000 hours for the average guy, because I actually might've gotten hired at one of those places!

I never said you wouldn't make it, I simply said SWA will be forced to realign its costs in line with the new LCC legacies, just as Kelly said.

Yup... And he said it last section six too. Herb was also crying poverty during the one before that, as did every single manager I've ever worked for. Sorry to disappoint you, but, while it could happen, it is unlikely that we're gonna get contractually hosed anytime soon.

 

[Tripower455]

What are you two talking about? In any other REAL airline, you would show up with zero knowledge on the 737 and get FULL training and a FULL type rating on that aircraft. This is how it's done at Continental, Delta, United, or any other 737 operator that doesn't require its applicant to buy their own type rating. I don't understand how you can get a head start when you already have a type rating. Sit back, relax, and show up on day 1 ready to go and learn.

Knowing what I know now, I am gonna ask you a question. How many "real" airlines have you worked for?

 

[slaquer5]

Knowing what I know now, I am gonna ask you a question. How many "real" airlines have you worked for?

He does not even have 1500 TT. He does not even have enough time to get an ATP. Yet he enjoys watching everyone take pay cuts.

 

[WildcatFan]

He is also never gonna get hired at SWA.

 

[scoreboardII]

Toilet seat-Down.

Check.

 

[say again]

Flyer1015 is a joke, and his posts prove it over and over again! No use in feeding the troll. He flies for a sh!t regional (all are) and is obviously quite bitter that he is stuck there.

I find it pretty sad that any pilot would consider another pilot as less of a professional because they want to start class well prepared and ahead of the game, type-rated or not.