SWA/Airtran new deal

[Flyer1015]

So what are the details? How does the seniority integration look? What method?

 

[GuppyWN]

In a nutshell -

Some won. Some lost. Very few are jumping for joy. Most are willing to move forward together.

Gup

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

So what are the details? How does the seniority integration look? What method?

It's not a new deal it's the same BS that everybody and their grandmother has been talking about on here for months!!!

It's time to move on!
KBB

 

[TXDanno]

It's a new method designed to avoid the contentious legal woes associated with arbitrated seniority list integration.

Methodology includes two (2) icosidodecahedron, one canyon blue, one teal with white ridges. Each subject (pilot) gets three throws. The average (median), factored for seat, AND total time in the flare (or 'Green Light'-time for Herc veterans), determines your position on the Master Seniority List. I crapped out, so by Jan 2015, I'll be sitting reserve in Waikiki. Bummer.

Did I mention the throws must commence no sooner than three hours into a 1-2-3 session? Yeah, I forgot that part. I forget most parts after three hours into a 1-2-3 session.

 

[Flyer1015]

Um, so what's the final method? Some kinda ratio? A category/class method?

 

[humveedriver]

1015,

Since I think you are asking seriously, I will attempt to summarize in an efficient and hopefully accurate response. Yes, some kinda ratio. Starting after the last Morris pilot or there abouts. Different ratios were used based on different DOH's due to the number of pilots hired during some years was not the same. 717 has a 3 year fence, after that it's seniority rules. Airtran gave up all 737 captain slots. We retain first right to 717 captain slots. This will cause extra training events, that will be subsidized by the Airtran pilots staying on our current pay until 1 Jan 2015 ( 717 only). Airtran pilots can bid 737 FO and go under SWA pay, insurance, and union starting around 04/2011. Thats where it may get weird. No one really knows for sure how that's going to shake out. SWA FO pay is very close to even our senior captain using straight time. So depending on where our senior captains live relative to the SWA domiciles, not all AT captains will elect to keep their
seats. The will be two new bases announced as well. One 737 base that the SWA pilots will get first crack at. And a new 717 base. As of this writing those bases are still undecided. The location of the second 717 base will have a major impact on the transition bid process for many AT pilots.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

I've heard TPA straight from MGMT and the Union Reps. for the 717!

KBB

 

[WNFO]

In a nutshell -

Some won. Some lost. Very few are jumping for joy. Most are willing to move forward together.

Gup

Well said my friend!!

 

[Fubijaakr]

Some won. Some lost. Very few are jumping for joy. Most are willing to move forward together.

That's how you know it was an acceptable deal...no one is happy.

 

[Max Powers]

That's how you know it was an acceptable deal...no one is happy.

Yeah right!

The SWAPA pilots were voting yes because they were threatened with an arbitrated SLI if they did not vote yes.

The AAI pilots were voting yes because they were threatened with losing their jobs if they did not vote yes.

Which threat strips away the most negotiating leverage? The latter I think.

 

[freightdogfred]

Yeah right!

The SWAPA pilots were voting yes because they were threatened with an arbitrated SLI if they did not vote yes.

The AAI pilots were voting yes because they were threatened with losing their jobs if they did not vote yes.

Which threat strips away the most negotiating leverage? The latter I think.

Pretty accurate i'd say

 

[waveflyer]

Max, to be clear, you're saying you wish you had the old job back, complete w/ your old mgmt, old payscales, alpa, and all the same battles you were steeling up for (strike fund, etc)?

True? Yes or no?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Yeah right!

Which threat strips away the most negotiating leverage? The latter I think.

Max,

I agree with you, but the fact of the matter is 80 percent of both pilot groups voted FOR the agreement. That qualifies as a landslide in anyone's book. Regardless of the reasons, the group has spoken.

Let's hope the buyer's remorse isn't too bad.

 

[Just thinking]

80 percent voted to keep their jobs,,,,,, the other 80 percent voted not to piss off GK.

 

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

Max, please answer wave's question.

 

[ASADFW7]

The fight is over, submission is for bullies.

 

[Steeler Fan]

Looking forward to working with all of you, and not spending our future rehashing our past.

(Go Steelers!)

 

[maru657]

Yeah right!

The SWAPA pilots were voting yes because they were threatened with an arbitrated SLI if they did not vote yes.

The AAI pilots were voting yes because they were threatened with losing their jobs if they did not vote yes.

Which threat strips away the most negotiating leverage? The latter I think.

The above seems to be the most accurate summation of the resultant vote. I would offer a rebuttal but I suspect we are dealing with ringers from the SW corner. The same writers over and over with the same rationalizations. I have to wonder if these people are professionals employed in much the same sense that political parties use lobbyist to sell any dirty bill of goods. Now since Kelly has devoted so much political capitol to move SW in this particular direction, how tough will he and the Dallas mafia be on any perceived mal- contents.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Malcontents will be required to drink more koolaid.....

If that does not work....beatings will follow!!!

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Yeah right!

The SWAPA pilots were voting yes because they were threatened with an arbitrated SLI if they did not vote yes.

The AAI pilots were voting yes because they were threatened with losing their jobs if they did not vote yes.

Which threat strips away the most negotiating leverage? The latter I think.

Max I hate to say this but I have to agree with you. Because of the B/M law and the way arbitrators seem to always rule SWAPA had no leverage thus had nothing to be stripped away.

As someone who will lose global bidding seniority monthly in the SWA system for at least 3 years and will get pushed out of my domicile back to a long commute to the West Coast I really don't care to hear you complain.

The implementation happens well for everyone except the SWA pilots hired in 2008 and after. We get all the pain to make it OK for everyone else.