Student Pilot Accident?

[Beech1900]

Hello,

When i was doing my pvt rating part 141.I had a unforgiven accident. I would like some advices on my situation and concern. I was doing my SOLO x/c and landed at my first intended airport, refueled and took off to my second destination. Uncontroled field did my procedure , call outs ect. To make the story short , my plane was drifting to the left and landed off centerline. I saw i was to close to the gravel and full pwr went my plane tilt the left even more taking me to the grass. Airspeed was alive and i pull back on the power and tried to brake but no success. Finally i hit a ditch and bent the prop and nose gear. Right there i knew my career was over and quit but with some help of friends i decided to continue. I don't blame anyone but i sure do wished i was tought a crosswind landing Properly. Anyways 5 hours to build up my confidense back i managed to get my pvt license. Sorry for the story but i want to know what are my chances to getting hired in the airline. I had different opinions such as : You were a std pilot. But if anyone has any advice please let me know. Thanks alot.

 

[Clownpilot]

Theres this thing on the back of the plane connected to these 2 pedals inside the plane. It's called a rudder. My advice is that you learn to use it.

Hello,

When i was doing my pvt rating part 141.I had a unforgiven accident. I would like some advices on my situation and concern. I was doing my SOLO x/c and landed at my first intended airport, refueled and took off to my second destination. Uncontroled field did my procedure , call outs ect. To make the story short , my plane was drifting to the left and landed off centerline. I saw i was to close to the gravel and full pwr went my plane tilt the left even more taking me to the grass. Airspeed was alive and i pull back on the power and tried to brake but no success. Finally i hit a ditch and bent the prop and nose gear. Right there i knew my career was over and quit but with some help of friends i decided to continue. I don't blame anyone but i sure do wished i was tought a crosswind landing Properly. Anyways 5 hours to build up my confidense back i managed to get my pvt license. Sorry for the story but i want to know what are my chances to getting hired in the airline. I had different opinions such as : You were a std pilot. But if anyone has any advice please let me know. Thanks alot.

 

[CorpJetPilot]

Hey Clownpilot.

You never made ANY mistakes as a student pilot right? Give the guy a break. He said he wished he was trained properly. Apparantly he had a bad instructor. Some of us have had bad instructors and were not taught everything. I've been flying for 17 years, have never had an accident or an incident, but I can also tell you that I'm certainly not perfect. Are you?

 

[Beech1900]

Clownpilot

Yeah i think i know what that is. hmmmmmmmmmm i can play sarchasim too. It was a simple mistake ... ever heard of LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES!! Like i said dude i just want to know how will this affect my career.

 

[Timebuilder]

This is what you call an "opportunity".

How you handle this in an interview situation will determine your future. When you get to the point of having sufficient time and experience that you have to explain this, get some interview counseling first. Typically, you will admit that you failed to properly control the aircraft, you explain about the additional instruction you made certain that you got, and how you taught your students so that they did not have the same thing happen to them.

Take a negative, and turn it into a positive.

Putting a cessna into the grass isn't the end of the world, not as a solo student.

 

[JRSLim]

'Kill all the clowns'

Listen to timebuilder and turn this into an opportunity. let me tell you about my situation.

It was pretty similar to yours -- I'll edit it for time though:
Second solo -- 20 hours or something - 17 knot crosswind -- touched down ok, fishtailed - ended up into the snow with bent prop and right wing. Mistakes -didn't take time to calm down and think to request runway that didn't have 17 Kt crosswind, Didnt go around (although it was after the touchdown that things got squirly) Landed too flat and didnt pull the mixture (thought about it, but hesistated because I thought I was going to keep it on the runway).
So what I now have is a leaning experience. On approach I knew about the wind and was very nervous. I had feelings of resignation (you've read about that hazardous flight attitude right). Then I though --'hey you can do this - make this plane straight (words of my Aussie CFI) and I did -- the landing was centerline ans was just fine - my instructor saw me land and turned his back - he thought I was ok. So did I -- I let the nose down which is when the wheelbarrowing / fishtailing started. I accidently keyed the mike with my deathgrip and my instructor, ATC and all heard my resulting four letter words. So, overcoming the resignation got me on the ground- thus I learned not to give up. I learned to take time to think about what is best- I should have asked for Runway 17 instead of accepting what they gave me 12 ( don't ask me why)
and I leaned that I should have gone ahead and pulled the mixture when I wa s getting near to the edge and of course I leaned the landing isn't over until the engine is off.

So now I have 250 hours, just got my Commercial and am working on CFI (at the same Aero Club) and don't have any crosswind issues. Oh by the way-like you- I didn't just step back into it. I was flying the next week, but yes I had to overcome some fear. But thats the key - I wanted to and I did. If you love flying and still want to fly -- then you will overcome this and be ok - trust me. Remeber the words of Manfred Von Richhofen ( who crashed on his second solo) 'The key to success is perserverence, ruthless ceaseless perserverance'.

Hope this all helps.
Shaun

 

[cessna_driver2]

Wise man once told me

In aviation there are only two kinds of people.

"There are those who have and those who will."

As I've read before, if it ever comes up at an interview; just explain and be truthful. All in all it was one hell of a learning curve to over come.

Good to hear that you got back in the saddle.

 

[Alaskaairlines]

B1900, just listen to the positive advice!

I have had a nervous situation before! Back at that time I had about 15-18 hours, I was returning from a solo flight. I requested T&G's, was approved!

I made a couple OK ones, and on the 3rd or 4th one it got a little windy, no problem now! I touchdown somewhat off cntr and the airplane wasn't strait, if I had used the crosswind technique ever student is taught (or should be) I would have been totally fine, but once the airplane was headed off the rwy I hit that right rudder and the poor old 152 went up on 2 wheels, but thankfully I had the power in quickly and was correcting for the crosswind, that little situation sure scarred me, but thanks God nothing happened!

As a student pilot or beginner, you often will learn a lot of technique from personal experience, it is simply impossible for the instructor to teach you "everything".

All the best to you, if you have that lerking to fly heavy metal, beleive me, there is one waiting for you!

 

[northmountain]

The great thing is you'll be able to pass this on to your students one day. Perhaps more students will understand that instructors who do not accept ANY drift off the centerline are not unyielding...you can truly say to them "been there done that and I don't want my student to re-live that experience."

In an interview I think you can turn it into something positive by letting the interviewer know that you are very intent on passing this experience on to your students. CENTERLINE, CENTERLINE, CENTERLINE!

 

[Kaman]

Hello,
I wouldn hope that a future employer wouldn't hold an error that you made as a student pilot against you. If they did it would not only be extremely unfair, and I think a company I'd not want to work for. Listen to some of the more experienced fellows here and turn it into a positive, if asked about any mishaps that you had. Basically, what did you learn from it? How did it make you a better pilot?
Everyone, except perhaps "clownpilot" has made a mistake flying an airplane. Some are more serious and the outcomes much worse, BUT we all have screwed up in some way somewhere along the line. You may recall from the FOI that "learning is a change in behavior as result of experience". So, that is what we do when we make a mistake, we learn from it and do our absolute best not to repeat it.
"Clownpilot", you really ought to be ashamed of yourself for the sarcastic remark. I'll bet your crew just loved you as a PPC.

regards,

Ex-Navy Rotorhead