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Virgin America Pilots will deliver our guests to their destinations in the newest, most sophisticated aircraft in the world. In addition to the minimum technical requirements, we’re looking for great people who’re ready to roll up their sleeves and jump right in to help make Virgin America a great place for our team members and a great airline to fly for our guests.

Is that you? If so, APPLY NOW!

Essentials:
• FAA Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Certification
• Check Airmen or Instructor time highly desired
• 5000 hours total time in airplanes (excluded: Helo, Sim, F/E time)
• 2000 hours total time as PIC
• 1000 hours as PIC total time in turbine aircraft
• 500 hours on EFIS equipped aircraft is highly desired
• Airbus type rating preferred
• Recency of flight experience will be considered
• Current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate
• Must pass FAA mandated drug test
• FCC Radio License
• Must possess a valid United States Driver’s license
• Current Passport
• Legally authorized to work in the U.S.A.
• Must pass required federal background checks and Virgin America pre- employment background checks
• Excellent communication skills
• An established knowledge of Microsoft Office, Adobe Acrobat, and Internet e-mail functions

Q&A

The following questions and answers are specific to Pilot hiring. If you’d like to learn more about Virgin America’s current plans (or at least what we can share publicly at this time), please see the Q&A located on virginamerica.com’s homepage.

How many pilots will you hire?

We’re immediately looking for six of the best pilots available to help us with the FAA certification process. During 2006, our intial plans are to hire approximately 100 pilots.

When will you begin interviewing? Hiring?

As soon as possible! We’re reviewing and prioritizing resumes at this very moment. Next, we’ll invite the most qualified candidates to participate in preliminary phone interviews. Finally, we’ll begin in person interviews at the end of February and anticipate the first round of offers to be extended on or near March 1st.

When will training start?

Training will start April 10th for the first six Check Airmen Pilots.

What’s the starting salary? Pay scale? Benefits?

The salary and pay scale information are not available yet. We can tell you that we plan to be competitive with other low-cost start up airlines. In terms of benefits and our 401K program, we will also be competitive with those offered by similar low-cost airlines.

Will you offer profit sharing?

That’s an opportunity under consideration, but we simply don’t know yet. Since we’re a start up business, everything is being created from scratch. We’ll share more information when we can.

Will I need to provide access to my log book?

Pilots will need to support their flight time. For flight hours flown in an FAR Part 121 carrier or in the military, a computerized printout showing the organizations name and hours flown by position and type of aircraft, may be used in lieu of a traditional logbook.

Where will the initial crew bases be located?

Virgin America's crew base will be at SFO.

Why are you hiring pilots now?

FAA system safety is a comprehensive process. So, we need the best of the best to help us qualify for certification
 
Nothing unreasonable posted there. I can see military pilots having a legit gripe though. Most regional captains with 1000+ hours turbine PIC will have the 5000TT.
 
Just two months from the start of ground school, I don't think it's unreasonable of us to expect them to have the payscale hammered out, though.
 
Not unreasonable. Actually I think there kinda low for a startup. With almost immediate upgrades and new ops play a role in insurance requirements. Remember JB mins when they started?
 
So a helo pilot with 5500TT 4000 PIC, 3000 MEL TJ, of which 2500 is 121 TJ PIC, part 121 check airman, but he has 700 hours of helo time in his TT. He would not be considered. But Joe non-helo guy has 5500 TT 2500 SEL as a CFI, 2000 as a RJ driver, 1000 TJ PIC. This guy is considered quailifed. Of course with their posted prejudiced against helo time they will not count 700 hours of helo in the 5500 TT, but they will count 2500 hours in C-150 in the landing pattern. Go figure! They are cutting out a very capable segmemnt of the pilot force out there. Who cares backwards managment at its best.
 
Lequip don't pick on me this was a management bashing post. Isn’t every thread supposed to have some management bashing in order to meet thread diversity requirements?
 
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They need six pilots with A320 training / check airman / APD experience. The first six have to start the program, do the proving runs and then start training everyone there after. If you don't have a crap load of instructing in the A320 don't worry, you won't be one of the first six. The next 94 need to be Captain material to get the operation running in the first few months. After the first 100 they will hire none A320 experienced pilots.
 
C-150 Time is in! Helos-Out

So a helo pilot with 5500TT 4000 PIC, 3000 MEL TJ, of which 2500 is 121 TJ PIC, part 121 check airman, but he has 700 hours of helo time in his TT. He would not be considered. But Joe non-helo guy has 5500 TT 2500 SEL as a CFI, 2000 as a RJ driver, 1000 TJ PIC. This guy is considered quailifed. Of course with their posted prejudiced against helo time they will not count 700 hours of helo in the 5500 TT, but they will count 2500 hours in C-150 in the landing pattern. Go figure! They are cutting out a very capable segmemnt of the pilot force out there. Who cares backwards managment at its best.


Well, that leaves me out! Darn, now what? Oh Ya! ASA will still be there when I get back. Wont they?:erm:
 
Turtlesfly said:
Well, not like pay rates mean anything anyways, just wait until concessions
Concessions are nice, I know a guy that runs one of those hot dog concessions, he makes some pretty good coin with his umbrella covered wagon.
 
Stiff Mins at Virgin America

He said stiff and virgin in the same sentence. :beer:
 
You gotta love airlines that for some reason hate us "redheaded step children" of aviation. Yes I mean helicopter pilots. We dont fly, we beat the air into submission. Anyone, or any company that doesnt feel that time is valid, doesnt want highly trained and capable pilots, just plain pilots.

Go Army!!! Skids are for kids silly rabbit
 
Capt. Happy, someone has to figure out why management knuckleheads don't view a multi-crew Captain time in an advanced IFR helo like the H-60, H-46, H-53 or H-47 as not real flight time. But PIC in a VFR only C-150 in the traffic pattern is the breakfast of champions for an airline career. We have hired a lot of military rotor heads and I have never been disappointed with their performance in training or on-line. Why are most management and insurance company’s sooooo out of touch with reality? Ops I am sorry I was management bashing again.
 
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I agree with YIP...

I know a TON of rotorheads that fly 121 that are MUCH better sticks than someone who has just flown fixedwing stuff. Then again, i'm a little bias towards helo guys, it takes mad skillz to fly those things.
 
Helicopters don't fly, they are so ugly the earth repels them:)

I like Sikorskys saying: Fixed wings are nice, one can fly over the survivors and drop flowers!
 
pilotyip said:
Capt. Happy, someone has to figure out why management knuckleheads don't view a multi-crew Captain time in an advanced IFR helo like the H-60, H-46, H-53 or H-47 as not real flight time. But PIC in a VFR only C-150 in the traffic pattern is the breakfast of champions for an airline career. We have hired a lot of military rotor heads and I have never been disappointed with their performance in training or on-line. Why are most management and insurance company’s sooooo out of touch with reality? Ops I am sorry I was management bashing again.

My airline allows a certain amount of helo time to count. We have several ex-army helo guys flying the line and working in the training department. I think overall it's been a win-win for the company and the flingwingers. I can understand the frustration of the helo guys trying to go airline.
 
Since when do you have to be good stick to fly 121, average will do just fine.
 
pilotyip said:
So a helo pilot with 5500TT 4000 PIC, 3000 MEL TJ, of which 2500 is 121 TJ PIC, part 121 check airman, but he has 700 hours of helo time in his TT. He would not be considered. But Joe non-helo guy has 5500 TT 2500 SEL as a CFI, 2000 as a RJ driver, 1000 TJ PIC. This guy is considered quailifed. Of course with their posted prejudiced against helo time they will not count 700 hours of helo in the 5500 TT, but they will count 2500 hours in C-150 in the landing pattern. Go figure! They are cutting out a very capable segmemnt of the pilot force out there. Who cares backwards managment at its best.

Just because i can drive a car like nobody's business doesnt mean i can drive a motorcycle. I agree a helo is probably a lot harder to fly but different. Anyhow, just playng devils advocate.

Dave
 
YIP
You might have a better go at it if the attitude about those of us from GA backgrounds was'nt so condescending. The rules are what they are. Somewhere down the line someone made the decision that helo time isn't up to snuff for hiring. Move on.
 
ArtVandalay said:
HEY, here's a place all you Delta pilots can go work at!

Art:
I see you're still suffering from "significant shrinkage." Maybe you should go back to being the "frightened turtle" that you are!

These are your words, you should live by them!

ArtVandalay said:
If one thing holds true about this board, people can't keep their mouths shut. The beginning of this thread was the simple yes or no answers asked for so, I jumped right to the last page and guess what? A bunch of senseless useless blah blah blah... very funny.......
737
 
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Russ, where is condescending? Are you taking this personally? I have nothing against General Aviation guys, I interview them and hire them all the time; they are the backbone of aviation. Everyone brings something to the flying show. Helo guys bring their own skills that in many cases are equal to or better than the GA pilot. One thing I will tell you, of the 21 helo pilots I have hired we have had no training failures, of the 147 civilian pilots hired over the last 9 years, we have had 14 washouts. Good pilots are good pilots, many GA pilots are better than the military pilots, it is just hard to tell some times. Military pilots are pre-screened, they have completed an intensive training program with a performance standard that can not be saved by dropping out and going to another flight school. For company’s not to count this quality time is stupid. This was not aimed at you, this was aimed at stupid management now if you feel that stupid management is what you support then go for it.
BTW they served and counts for something big in my book.
 
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Virgin may be looking for guys with lots of 121 experience simply because of projected growth. For military guys with no civvie flying background there is a bit of a transition to make. The flying is different and flying out of busy hubs is a tad different than dealing with your typical military base. At WN a new hire FO will probably spend 4-6 years in the right seat which is years more time than it takes to become comfortable in the 121 environment. Virgin is probably looking for pilots that will be ready for upgrade much sooner, possibly in under a year. That might be the reason for the higher than typical minimums. It also cuts down on the number of resumes they have to look at in the same fashion that 1000PIC and a 737 type makes things easier for WN.

From my standpoint I think the biggest misconception that some military guys have is that this job is mainly about flying. The flying is just the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot more to be thinking about than the flying. The flying isn't particularly difficult. It's all the other factors that you're dealing with that keep the job interesting.
 
Dave you are right however there is whole other thread beating that to death. The point of the military in this threat is the stupidity of management not counting quality military flight time in total time. For example Joe is an ex-USMC pilot he has 5500TT, 4000 MEL, 150 SEL, 700 helo (H-53E), 2500 TJ PIC, rating in B-727, and the A-320, he had been a check airman at his last 121 airline in the B-727. He can not apply at Virgin America because they will not count his 700 hours in the H-53 in his total. How Bill is a RJ Captain, 5500TT, 2700 MEL, 2800 SEL, 2000 as a CFI, 1200 TJ PIC he is typed in the EMB-145 and the A-320. Bill can apply, Joe can not, and who is the most qualifed pilot, who has the most MEL, who has the most TJ PIC. Management is stupid they are limiting their option. Now I know this is initial cadre and almost everyone hired will have lots of A-320 time, most likely check airman experience and if Joe flew for another 300 hours, he would also be qualified.
 
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Not trying to defend Virgin but I think they're probably keeping things simple to start and will probably make some changes down the road.
 
Looks like reasonable hiring mins for a startup airline. They need pilots with significant airline operation qualifications to get the certificate and training programs going. I'm sure they respect helo and military experience and will hire some as long they meet the other mins.
 
First and foremost none of what I said compared Military to Civie. I am a former Army helo pilot, UH-1, and AH-1. HOWEVER all of my fixed wing time is CIVIE. I have seen good, bad and indifferent pilots from both groups. If you are good, great. If you suck, well thats a training department issue. I know just as many guys that started with civie helo training that have had the same problem as myself with companies excepting helo time.

See what fixed wing only folks cant seem to except is that once a helo is off the ground, flying is flying. We do instr approaches the same as in a plane. So why not count that time? That is my question.

The real answer to that is obvious, companies, and managers that dont except helo time, never flew a helo and just dont understand. Fairly simple.

Just the rantings of a layed off pilot! Turned boatmaker!

GO ARMY!!
 
Captain Happy said:
See what fixed wing only folks cant seem to except is that once a helo is off the ground, flying is flying. We do instr approaches the same as in a plane. So why not count that time? That is my question.

Just the rantings of a layed off pilot! Turned boatmaker!

GO ARMY!!

With the exception that in the helo you can really slow down for that approach.

What kind of boats?
 

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