STAR Nav Requirement

[willNOTfly4free]

I'm looking at the JAIKE One arrival into TEB. One of the notes says "Type B" required. I have seen this note on a few other arrivals and am sure it has something to do with nav equipment requirements.

Anyone know what these Types are refering to and how to determine what GPS/FMS's are approved for this?

 

[FlaZoomie]

Check out: https://www.jeppesen.com/download/briefbull/bulletin_jep05-02.pdf


On September 1, 2005, the FAA will modify the existing equipment code note on approximately 190 Area Navigation (RNAV) Standard Instrument Departures (SID) and 22 RNAV Standard Terminal Arrivals (STAR) procedures with a replacement note referencing Type A or Type B.

Advisory Circular (AC) 90-100 U.S. Terminal and Enroute Area Navigation (RNAV) Operations identifies RNAV SID and STAR procedures as either Type A or Type B based on aircraft navigation equipment requirements, procedure and route development criteria, and flight crew procedures. The U.S. Terminal Procedures Publication (TPP) legend will be modified detailing the requirements of the Type A and Type B note.

Pilots should consult AC 90-100 U.S. Terminal and Enroute Area Navigation (RNAV) Operations and the Aeronautical Information Publication (AIM) for complete information.

The following information will be added to the TPP Legend page F1, Standard Terminal Arrivals and Departure Procedures:

RNAV DP and STAR. These procedures are designated as either Type A or Type B. Type B procedures require a higher level of aircraft and operator performance than Type A procedures; as such, those aircraft and operators capable of flying Type
B procedures may also fly Type A procedures. Refer to Advisory Circular 90-100 U.S. TERMINAL AND EN ROUTE AREA NAVIGATION (RNAV) OPERATIONS and the Aeronautical Information Manual for additional guidance regarding these procedures.

Standard Type A and B Procedure Chart Notes

Type A procedures

NOTE: Type A
NOTE: DME/DME, DME/DME/IRU, or GPS required
NOTE: Pilots of RNP-capable aircraft, use RNP 2.0

Type B procedures

NOTE: Type B
NOTE: DME/DME/IRU or GPS required
NOTE: Pilots of RNP-capable aircraft, use RNP 1.0 (or 2.0, as applicable)

Some procedures may require use of GPS and will be identified by a “GPS required” note.

Type A Procedure Characteristics and Operations

1. Require use of RNAV systems with DME/DME, DME/DME/IRU, and/or GPS inputs.
2. Pilots are encouraged to use a CDI, flight director, and/or autopilot, in lateral navigation mode, for flight guidance while
operating on RNAV paths (track, course, or direct leg).
3. Type A DP- RNAV paths may start as low as 2000 feet above airport elevation.


Type B Procedure Characteristics and Operations
1. Require use of RNAV systems with DME/DME/IRU and/or GPS inputs.
2. Pilots must use a CDI, flight director, and/or autopilot, in lateral navigation mode, for flight guidance while operating on
RNAV paths (track, course, or direct leg). Other methods providing an equivalent level of performance may be acceptable.
3. Type B DP- Pilots of aircraft without GPS input must ensure the aircraft navigation system position is confirmed, within
1,000 feet, at the start point of take-off roll (runway update is an acceptable method of compliance).
4. Type B DP- RNAV paths may start as low as 500 feet above airport elevation.

 

[Brett Hull]

Here's the list of the FMS's / GPS's / etc...approved to fly type a and type b routes.

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org.../policy_guidance/media/AC90_100compliance.pdf

 

[FlyFlyFly]

Bottom line for Type B is RNAV capable with RNP of 1 mile. The complete procedure must be in the database of your FMS or GPS. Otherwise, you must fly another procedure.

 

[SabreFlyR]

Bottom line for Type B is RNAV capable with RNP of 1 mile. The complete procedure must be in the database of your FMS or GPS. Otherwise, you must fly another procedure.

This is a true statement, but the procedure is in the GNSxLS and the KLN900 and these units are not approved for use with the type A or B rnav procedures. There's more to it than simply having the sid/star in the data base.

 

[FL420]

AC90-100 splains it.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulator...36c73d04f986256f9d00583fc2/$FILE/AC90-100.pdf

If you drive little airplanes, note that the Garmin GNS 430 & 530 are approved for Type A & B SIDS & STARS while the Bendix/King/Honeywell KLN-89 & KLN-94 are only approved for Q Routes & ODP's.

 

[FlyFlyFly]

There's more to it than simply having the sid/star in the data base.

Yes, you are right, and you refer to 1/2 of my post to make your point.

Please re-read my post.

If you would like to really get technical, we can dive deep into the AC, but in the interest of keeping it simple,

1) RNAV capable with an RNP of 1 mile

2) Entire procedure must be in the database

You got those two and you meet the requirements.

 

[mike1mc]

One more not to add is that the JAIKE ONE (or any other TYPE B SID/STAR) arrival also has the note RADAR REQUIRED allowing GPS only to be used without having to complete the otherwise required RAIM Prediction Check using the manufactuer's software prior to flight.

 

[SabreFlyR]

Yes, you are right, and you refer to 1/2 of my post to make your point.

Please re-read my post.

If you would like to really get technical, we can dive deep into the AC, but in the interest of keeping it simple,

1) RNAV capable with an RNP of 1 mile

2) Entire procedure must be in the database

You got those two and you meet the requirements.

Just because the procedure is in the data base and the box can maintain rnp 1.0 does not make it legal to fly it unless that gps or fms is on the approved list in AC 90-100. The GNSxLS fms has the procedures in it, is cabable of flying gps/rnav approaches down to rnp.3, but it is not approved for type a or b rnav sid/stars per Honeywell and AC 90-100. RNP is only a minor part of what it takes for the box to fly these procedures.

 

[FL420]

One more not to add is that the JAIKE ONE (or any other TYPE B SID/STAR) arrival also has the note RADAR REQUIRED allowing GPS only to be used without having to complete the otherwise required RAIM Prediction Check using the manufactuer's software prior to flight.

I have never seen this before. Do you have a reference?

 

[Bandit60]

I have never seen this before. Do you have a reference?

What he said is true about radar required. This is in writing. A coworker of mine showed it to me the other day, however, I cannot remember where he got it from. It read exactly as the previous poster said.

 

[SabreFlyR]

What he said is true about radar required. This is in writing. A coworker of mine showed it to me the other day, however, I cannot remember where he got it from. It read exactly as the previous poster said.

It's printed right on the chart.

 

[Hawker800]

Honeywell has come up with an upgrade for the GNS-XLs. Will cost around 20 grand per box. We are currently considering having it done.

 

[SabreFlyR]

Honeywell has come up with an upgrade for the GNS-XLs. Will cost around 20 grand per box. We are currently considering having it done.

We sold the plane with the GNS have they started the upgrades, last I heard they were hoping to have it ready sometime in December.

 

[mike1mc]

It's printed right on the chart.

Its not on the chart but in AC 90-100:

"GPS RAIM Prediction[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]: As described in paragraph 8(a)(5) of AC 90-100, operators should verify RAIM availability prior to using GPS as the basis of operation on RNAV routes and procedures when any GPS satellites are out of service (e.g., "GPS PRN-14 OTS…"). However, a number of operators and GPS manufacturers have notified us that they do not have a means to verify RAIM along the route or procedure. The FAA is developing a RAIM prediction service for general use. Until this capability is operational, a RAIM prediction does not need to be done for any RNAV route conducted where ATC provides radar monitoring or RNAV departure/arrival procedure, which has an associated "RADAR REQUIRED" note charted. Operators may check RAIM availability for RNAV departure/arrival procedures at any given airport by checking approach RAIM for that location. This information is available upon request from a U.S. Flight Service Station (but not DUATS)."[/FONT]

 

[SabreFlyR]

Its not on the chart but in AC 90-100:

"GPS RAIM Prediction[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]: As described in paragraph 8(a)(5) of AC 90-100, operators should verify RAIM availability prior to using GPS as the basis of operation on RNAV routes and procedures when any GPS satellites are out of service (e.g., "GPS PRN-14 OTS…"). However, a number of operators and GPS manufacturers have notified us that they do not have a means to verify RAIM along the route or procedure. The FAA is developing a RAIM prediction service for general use. Until this capability is operational, a RAIM prediction does not need to be done for any RNAV route conducted where ATC provides radar monitoring or RNAV departure/arrival procedure, which has an associated "RADAR REQUIRED" note charted. Operators may check RAIM availability for RNAV departure/arrival procedures at any given airport by checking approach RAIM for that location. This information is available upon request from a U.S. Flight Service Station (but not DUATS)."[/FONT]

OK, I misunderstood what he was asking.