Spirit Lear

[GVFlyer]

I see that the Spirit Lear, a 20 series Lear with Williams power, is near to getting it's Supplemental Type Certificate. Anyone getting one of these? Seems like a neat concept.

GV

 

[FurloughedAgain]

http://www.ainonline.com/Publications/nbaa/NBAA_04/d1lear25p21.html

Looks like a good competitor for the Cessna Citation Mustang.

 

[Dizel8]

Well, being a Learjet lover, this seems like a heck of a concept and like Furloughed says, should give the citations a run, if not a couple of other jets, like the SJ.

http://www.spirit-wing.com/index.html

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Is it too late to beg them to put in adjustable rudder pedals??

 

[Dizel8]

Given enough money, you can have what ever you want, should I put you down for one then?

 

[mzaharis]

I looked at the comparison specs, and noticed the engine-out climb rate and climb gradient. I wonder if this would translate to a high pucker factor on engine-out on takeoff situations, especially at altitude.

http://www.spirit-wing.com/comparisons/comparisons.pdf

FAR 25 Eng-Out Rate - 321 FPM
FAR 25 Engine Out Gradient - 259ft/NM

I don't fly these things, so I don't know if these are bad numbers.


EDIT - a similar Williams refit for a citation 1/1SP that gets them up to nearly 400KTAS - but may cost you your Cessna product support . . .

http://www.ainonline.com/Features/pilotreport02/AIN_pr_sierra802.html
http://www.garrettaviation.com/fj44.asp

 

[Brett Hull]

EDIT - a similar Williams refit for a citation 1/1SP that gets them up to nearly 400KTAS - but may cost you your Cessna product support . . .

No worries with regards to Bombardier products then, they have no product support to begin with!

 

[xrated]

http://www.ainonline.com/Publications/nbaa/NBAA_04/d1lear25p21.html

Looks like a good competitor for the Cessna Citation Mustang.

True, but I'm guessing the Mustang will be single pilot certified and guessing the Lear will not. I'm thinking the Mustang will appeal to a different clientele.

 

[CapnVegetto]

EDIT - a similar Williams refit for a citation 1/1SP that gets them up to nearly 400KTAS - but may cost you your Cessna product support . . .

That makes sense. We've got one of the old CE-550's with the increased GTOW kit on it, and CESCOM won't touch it.

 

[mzaharis]

That makes sense. We've got one of the old CE-550's with the increased GTOW kit on it, and CESCOM won't touch it.

From the AIN article:
But solving one problem often creates another. A Cessna spokeswoman said, “If Cessna has approved the modification, we will support that modification. But if the modification affects the way the aircraft is operated, it will affect other aspects of the aircraft that may change our specifications and we will not support the aircraft.” Cessna believes the Eagle II falls into this second category.

A recent Cessna Service Bulletin on modifications added, “Citation aircraft that have installed STCs that permit performance and/or alter limitations outside the Cessna FAA-approved flight manual might be refused service at Cessna-owned service centers. The STC holder for the particular installation is expected to accept responsibility for the warranty and product support for the installation on Citation aircraft.”

 

[Capthuff]

With all the VLJs coming out it would be kool if Lear reintroduced the 28/29 with Williams engines, ProLine 21 avionics, and delta fins like the 31. Very docile and reasonable performance and range.

I would think it could be an STC to the original TC and the cost of production could be low enough to be an affordable entry level jet.

 

[THE Flying Ace]

That makes sense. We've got one of the old CE-550's with the increased GTOW kit on it, and CESCOM won't touch it.

We have an older 550 with the gross weight increase and have it on CESCOM. Now Cessna will not sign off on an inspection so we just have our maintenace done at Elliott Aviation. But we did have to put a new scraper ring and seals in the nose gear at MKE last month and Cessna did the work and signed off on it. I guess it is just the major Phase checks they will not sign off on.