Some things never change ...what a disgrace

[ruhroa]

a report in the Buffalo News noted that the pilot of Flight 3407 had slept the previous night in the airline's crew room and suggested that backward progress had since been made. According to the article, Colgan has "come up with a way of making it more difficult for pilots to do that. It's ordered the lights to be kept on in its crew rooms."

That my friends is the attitude that gets people killed and i hate to say it...... It is not going to change till the pilots themselves get it changed......

I am so very, very lucky that I don't have to live in your world.
a world where a child's dream can be so powerful that you would put up with this chit and risk not only your own lives but all the lives of the passengers you fly because you allow management of these whale chit outfits to have practices that force well trained intelligent people to live like they have entry level blue collar jobs....
I am not even going to waste my breath on managements role in this.....
It is just a sad, sad day when your dreams become a nightmare..........

 

[CaptSeth]

Right on. Frankly, that carrier is a disease that needs to be excised from the industry, and the fee-for-departure structure eliminated as it does nothing more then perpetuate a race to the bottom for employees. Only way? REGULATION. Maybe not re-reglulating the industry, but there must be a way of codifying a minimum working condition/operating expense formula based on the aggregate of reported costs the DOT gets.

 

[nimtz]

As far as I know, Colgan still does stand-up overnights on the Q400 out of EWR. It takes a gigantic set of b@lls and utter stupidity to pull that off en light of the spotlight 3407 put on their corporate leadership. BTW, thanks to CAL management for the strong due diligence undertaken before putting the globe on the Q400...

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

"We fixed it."

 

[becket]

In Colgan's mind, the extra cost to the electric bill is more than enough money spent to cure the causes of that pointless tragedy.

Too bad Colgan management wasn't on that plane.

 

[waka]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Colgan have a policy against pilots sleeping in the crew rooms in the first place? I'm sure Renslow knew about said policy. I don't side with Colgan in general, but did they really do something wrong by creating an environment that encourages adherence to an existing policy?

 

[densoo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Colgan have a policy against pilots sleeping in the crew rooms in the first place? I'm sure Renslow knew about said policy. I don't side with Colgan in general, but did they really do something wrong by creating an environment that encourages adherence to an existing policy?

So now they'll be sleeping in the terminal, with pax taking photos of them on their cell phones.

The problem is not the sleeping in the crewroom. The problem is needing to sleep. Just because they now don't see it hasn't made the problem go away.

Next, they'll start playing loud rock music 24 hours a day just like they do to POWs as a form of sleep deprivation torture. Can waterboarding be far behind?

 

[surfnfly]

What's next company issued sleeping bags in initial training!

 

[densoo]

what are your options in the most expensive place in the country when you're paid jack and routinely scheduled to the legal mins?

That about sums it up.

 

[waveflyer]

I can't pretend that PAY isn't a safety issue -
and there's way more to this than simple market forces-

 

[JetMonkey]

After the last person leaves the crew lounge. Just get up, walk over and flip the switch off. Are they gonna do a check at 2am to see if the lights are on?

 

[Poahi]

How can we argue that pilots need more money when too many lack the maturity to manage their own physiological needs? If we have to blame others for our poor judgement, we should not be put in a position of responsibility in the first place.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Next, they'll start playing loud rock music 24 hours a day just like they do to POWs as a form of sleep deprivation torture. Can waterboarding be far behind?

If pilots were waterboarded, management would have a coinbox attached to the faucet and the pilot would say, "Hey buddy I'm out of quarters, can you lend me one?"

 

[MD11Drvr]

A couple pieces of wire and reasonable sized balls can fix this. The one with the balls inserts the wire in each light socket until all the CB's are tripped and the lights are off. They should be off until morning when building maint. shows up to reset them. Enough of this and maybe Management will get the picture.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The basic problem is the fact that for certification and exercising of the privileges of said certificate fall solely on the shoulders of the certificate holder. (AKA, you) Because of this many companies see their liability limited to faulty maintenance etc. The assumption of crew safety in their eyes is all on you, and when it is our fault it is all on you and not them.
The FAR's allow a lot of latitude with this. Corporations can hide behind many stupid policies by stating that "Federal Law;" FAR's allow the pilot a get out of jail free card.

To change many if the issues surrounding all of the contributing factors of the Colgan crash, this glaring loophole needs to be addressed.

 

[lionflyer]

The basic problem is the fact that for certification and exercising of the privileges of said certificate fall solely on the shoulders of the certificate holder. (AKA, you) Because of this many companies see their liability limited to faulty maintenance etc. The assumption of crew safety in their eyes is all on you, and when it is our fault it is all on you and not them.
The FAR's allow a lot of latitude with this. Corporations can hide behind many stupid policies by stating that "Federal Law;" FAR's allow the pilot a get out of jail free card.

To change many if the issues surrounding all of the contributing factors of the Colgan crash, this glaring loophole needs to be addressed.

If you use that "get out jail free" card too many times , you might have a few issues on your next PC if you know what i mean. It's BS I know but we all know how the game is played.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Pilots have to be responsible for sowing up for work fit to fly. Commuting is a choice (I commute myself) that occasionally forces additional difficult choices. If you cannot manage a reasonable level of rest and readiness, you may have to choose another career.

 

[sleeves]

you may have to choose another career.

I think we should all choice a new career, on the same day.

 

[skybert]

What's next company issued sleeping bags in initial training!

25 bucks a week out of your pay for six months.....