So, what new procedures from the FAA?

[Flyer1015]

10,000 doing trans pac ops equals 1000 landings/2= 500 personal landings. The average EMB120 F/O will log that many landings in less than a year. Hours do not always provide equal experience.

Asian carriers don't just do transpac routes. Asiana has a heavy presence in Asia, flights from South Korea to China, Singapore, Japan, all in the short-to-medium range.

 

[Flyer1015]

Although it remains to be seen with the final report, this is a case where technology like the Airbus Alpha Floor forcing TOGA lock would have occured and most likely saved it, as long as it happened above a 100 feet. I'm always ????????? when pilots don't want built in protections in the plane they fly. The way I see it, it's one last resort in case both of us have missed something really badly.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Asian carriers don't just do transpac routes. Asiana has a heavy presence in Asia, flights from South Korea to China, Singapore, Japan, all in the short-to-medium range.

Draw your own conclusions. Just saying time in the approach environment is different than cruise...

 

[DXR-Beavis]

Other way around. The FAA has finally realized the problems with over automation and this crash is a perfect example of the eventual results of over automation and the degradation of actual piloting skills associated with it.

Agreed. They actually issued a SAFO back in January to that effect:
http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...afety/safo/all_safos/media/2013/SAFO13002.pdf

My carrier has been actively encouraging this since just before the SAFO was issued.

Part of me thinks there will be a knee jerk either by the FAA or ICAO, but so far I think the FAA has done the right thing regarding this issue...just not enough (yet?).
I fear ICAO will respond in a manner that will make matters worse. As someone who undergoes ICAO's Operational "Safety" Audits every two years for my airline (which virtually all worldwide carriers undergo--especially those in the large alliances), I am losing confidence in ICAO's "standards." Seems they focus on the forest without realizing they are amongst trees much of the time.

 

[flyboyike]

10,000 doing trans pac ops equals 1000 landings/2= 500 personal landings. The average EMB120 F/O will log that many landings in less than a year. Hours do not always provide equal experience.

Really? Because in a different thread I was told my six landings a day are insufficient and I still haven't paid my dues.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Really? Because in a different thread I was told my six landings a day are insufficient and I still haven't paid my dues.

Dues must be paid, now get back out there, I will tell you when enough is enough!

 

[eaglesview]

Really? Because in a different thread I was told my six landings a day are insufficient and I still haven't paid my dues.

Next time you are doing one try turning the auto pilot off. Better yet try turning off all of the automation including the flight directer

 

[737tanker]

1 (c) No person may serve as a crew member on an aircraft type they have not previously served as a crew member.

With this logic no airline will be allowed to buy a new type of aircraft, nor will Boeing or Airbus be allowed to build a new aircraft model.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

Wear your hat. Duh.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

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