skywest vs. air wisconsin

[ubpilot]

Between Air Wisconsin and SkyWest, which one is a better company to work for? My number one concern is stability of the airline in the near future, second concern will be the time to hold a line, since the pay is similar.

 

[Steveair]

I'd go with SkyWest. They've got a bit more money in the bank and are bigger. They also have 2 partners and there are always rumors of another one coming. People are nice to work with. Per Diem is 20 cents per hour better.... probably comes out to 70 dollars per month. Better chance of a faster upgrade. Fly more places / variety is the spice of life. Don't forget to consider where you want to be based...

 

[HulkHogan]

I would choose the one that has a base closest to you &
of course only one of them is currently hiring

 

[Beechnut]

I'd go with SkyWest. They've got a bit more money in the bank and are bigger. They also have 2 partners and there are always rumors of another one coming. People are nice to work with. Per Diem is 20 cents per hour better.... probably comes out to 70 dollars per month. Better chance of a faster upgrade. Fly more places / variety is the spice of life. Don't forget to consider where you want to be based...

Some very good points. But tell me so we can compare, how much money does Air Wisconsin have in the bank?

Is SkyWest hiring?

Thanks,

S.

 

[Steveair]

Beechnut,

No one can know for sure how much Whiskey has in the bank since they are privately owned. However, they were running fee for departure for UAL with fewer planes than SkyWest. Consequently, I would deduce that SkyW has more cash. Just my thought.

 

[1973Arrow]

Beechnut,

No one can know for sure how much Whiskey has in the bank since they are privately owned. However, they were running fee for departure for UAL with fewer planes than SkyWest. Consequently, I would deduce that SkyW has more cash. Just my thought.

Never underestimate the Whisky Amigos...

 

[logolight]

Beechnut,

No one can know for sure how much Whiskey has in the bank since they are privately owned. However, they were running fee for departure for UAL with fewer planes than SkyWest. Consequently, I would deduce that SkyW has more cash. Just my thought.

Of course AWAC ownes 9% of USairways. How much does Skywest own of a major carrier? Skywest probably has more cash due to AWAC spending 125 million of it's own on USairways. But I don't think one's decision should be made on who has more cash anyway.

 

[1973Arrow]

Of course AWAC ownes 9% of USairways.

I thought it was 13%?

 

[Mayday911]

I thought it was 13%?

I believe you are correct.

 

[Hobit]

Good points above... Two more IMHO,

1. SKW is known for their relatively good MNGT/Labor relations but they now have an in-house whipsaw with ASA and have no union to force mngt to honor their agreements. This will be used against both companies(SKW & ASA). Also, how will a possible ASA strike affect SKW in the coming year?

2. Delta Mainline is in rough waters and if the scope stuff isn't hammered out that may impact ASA and thus SKW.

 

[Night_Flight]

Good to hear from you again Mr. Steveair. How are things with you and your job???

I'm sure SkyWest has more cash becuase they run a much larger operation. Good company, I have family over there.

Let's not forget that surely our AWAC owners have quite a bit of coinage built up from years and years of ASE flying in our 100 seat aircraft. UAL has stated this is the most profitable market in their system. We may not have as much as SkyWest, but look at our smaller size. More money to easier spread around. Why base your decision on cash anyways?

I would work for whoever flies to areas you wish to fly to, fast upgrade times, short reserve time and whichever gives you the best quaility of life. You will enjoy your job and life much better with a good QOL!

AWAC has silent partners as well and there are always rumors of other "Big Deals" happening. But you cannot believe any rumor until it becomes fact (and not via Flightinfo).

Did you also hear the rumor about how Go-Jet is a very bad airline (Sorry---not a rumor).imp:

-Night_Flight-

 

[SSDD]

Skywest is not hiring!

 

[CSR]

How many bankrupt airlines is Skywest dealing with? How many bankrupt partners is AWAC dealing with?

Also something to consider!

 

[cargojunkie]

go to Skywest..........get off the east side ...... hot flight ladies......not to mention not every cappy is pissed because they used to live in DEN...and now PHL or DCA.....oh wait only AWAC is hiring.....I guess that one is better....

 

[capt. crunch]

if you are really going to pick an airline because they make 20 cents an hour more in per diem, then you are a big fan of butt sex. Because that makes you an idiot. Don't come to AWAC, we won't give you an extra $70 a month, dork. GET A LIFE!!!!

CC

 

[Tooslow]

Skywest WAS with three major Carriers, now with just BK ones......

 

[capt. megadeth]

if you are really going to pick an airline because they make 20 cents an hour more in per diem, then you are a big fan of butt sex. Because that makes you an idiot.

CC

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

1. SKW is known for their relatively good MNGT/Labor relations but they now have an in-house whipsaw with ASA and have no union to force mngt to honor their agreements.

Yeah ALPA's got that going for them right now. Sure is a lot of contract enforcement happening. Uh uhhh.

 

[rogerdoger]

Of course AWAC ownes 9% of USairways. How much does Skywest own of a major carrier? Skywest probably has more cash due to AWAC spending 125 million of it's own on USairways. But I don't think one's decision should be made on who has more cash anyway.

Investing is US Air is about the stupidest thing anybody could do. Even with America West management in place, its still doomed. In retrospect UsAir has never truely been a succesful airline. Look at it this way. Every time UsAir looses its ars and is on the verge of bankruptcy it goes and either purchases or merges another airline. And history as proven this. Look at Piedmont, PSA, Allagheny, Mohawk, and last but not least America West. In my honest opinion UsAir has been a doomed airline for the last 20 years with only a few good moments.

So to answer the real question. I would never work for Air Wisconsin. Their management must have gotten together one night and passed the bong around. And after doing that and a bunch of jello shots, come up with some type of retard plan for getting another code share agreement.

 

[rtmcfi]

Investing is US Air is about the stupidest thing anybody could do. Even with America West management in place, its still doomed. In retrospect UsAir has never truely been a succesful airline. Look at it this way. Every time UsAir looses its ars and is on the verge of bankruptcy it goes and either purchases or merges another airline. And history as proven this. Look at Piedmont, PSA, Allagheny, Mohawk, and last but not least America West. In my honest opinion UsAir has been a doomed airline for the last 20 years with only a few good moments.

So to answer the real question. I would never work for Air Wisconsin. Their management must have gotten together one night and passed the bong around. And after doing that and a bunch of jello shots, come up with some type of retard plan for getting another code share agreement.

How much is that 125 million loan worth now? Do a little research, and get back to me. I would say that AWACS plan, thus far has been brilliant. Now the $ they are spending due to people fleeing from piss-poor scheduling is a different matter entirely. Go where you want to live, or wherever has the easiest commute. Right now, upgrade is probably shorter at AWAC.

 

[wheelsup]

Even with America West management in place, its still doomed. In retrospect UsAir has never truely been a succesful airline.

I am saddened to say I agree with this statement. I think United, with its route structure, was a better/more viable codeshare. I hope that United approaches AWAC once out of bankruptcy and asks for another RFP to operate their aircraft. US Air may last a few years, but in the end it will still be back in the same position that it was in Post-9/11. US Air/AWA can't "outdo" southwest in the LCC department; their system wasn't designed for it. US Air, with its potentially profitable northeast route structure, needs to bring back perks to keep the business travelers around IMO. Leather seats, pillows, blankets, free music/tv, FOOD, things like that.

On the other hand, AWA is a great airline. The CEO has really turned it around and as a former mesa employee who non-rev'd on them a lot I really enjoyed the experience. If there is anyone who could lead the company to profitability he is the guy.

In AWAC's defense, there really wasn't much they could do about the United situation. They asked the pilots for concessions, which they agreed to. Other companies could just do it cheaper. It was either invest in US Air or pull the plug on the whole airline (or atleast that was my understanding). I think they (management) did an outstanding job securing additional flying in the scenario they were faced with.

~wheelsup

 

[Hobit]

Yeah ALPA's got that going for them right now. Sure is a lot of contract enforcement happening. Uh uhhh.

Wasn't meant as a slam against SKW, pal. But while the ASA folks have a legal outlet to negotiate a better rate and will reject the -8% BS, you folks (assuming U R SKW) have not gotten another offer after you rejected the +1%, right? Am I wrong there? ASA will continue in their negotiations... What say your pilot group?

And you are right the current political culture has surely put a cramp on labors' power during negotiations. SKW is truly a reputable airline but what would happen if you couldn't stow your bag in the cockpit because of a stupid company rule? Who would go to bat to get the policy changed when mngt said 'tuff' ? And what if your bag was taken into the terminal and you went to get it and were suspended for a week w/out pay? Would you be defended by anyone? ASA had the union to do it, how bout you folks?

Anyway back to the real point of your misinterpretaion of what I said. You folks rjected a +1% raise. Admirable. Then ASA mngt offered a -8% cut for the 70 seat folks and then the twenty whatever jets that WERE supposed to got to ASA are now majically being held by SKW Inc. (not airline... INC.) for later assignment "based on Deltas forthcoming fleet plan." If you aint being whipsawed against each other than WTF do you call it Einstein?

 

[TCBKING]

So to answer the real question. I would never work for Air Wisconsin. Their management must have gotten together one night and passed the bong around. And after doing that and a bunch of jello shots.

Thats the only reason I came to Air whisky you ass muncher.:beer:

 

[Heavy Set]

Investing is US Air is about the stupidest thing anybody could do. Even with America West management in place, its still doomed. In retrospect UsAir has never truely been a succesful airline. Look at it this way. Every time UsAir looses its ars and is on the verge of bankruptcy it goes and either purchases or merges another airline. And history as proven this. Look at Piedmont, PSA, Allagheny, Mohawk, and last but not least America West. In my honest opinion UsAir has been a doomed airline for the last 20 years with only a few good moments.

So to answer the real question. I would never work for Air Wisconsin. Their management must have gotten together one night and passed the bong around. And after doing that and a bunch of jello shots, come up with some type of retard plan for getting another code share agreement.

Air Whisky had to make this investment in order to ensure a future for itself given its crappy relationship with UAL. It had no choice - an investment meant a seat at the table and the ability to secure flying for its aircraft (now that UAL had turned against it). Nobody knows the future and Air Whisky had to make a bet and run with it... That investment secured flying that would have easily gone to lower-cost Mesa or CHQ...

Pretty ball$y if you ask me but it might turn out to be a great move if USAirways starts to prosper (and gas prices start to moderate)...

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

say what about yo bag.

And you are right the current political culture has surely put a cramp on labors' power during negotiations. SKW is truly a reputable airline but what would happen if you couldn't stow your bag in the cockpit because of a stupid company rule? Who would go to bat to get the policy changed when mngt said 'tuff' ? And what if your bag was taken into the terminal and you went to get it and were suspended for a week w/out pay? Would you be defended by anyone? ASA had the union to do it, how bout you folks?

Anyway back to the real point of your misinterpretaion of what I said. You folks rjected a +1% raise. Admirable. Then ASA mngt offered a -8% cut for the 70 seat folks and then the twenty whatever jets that WERE supposed to got to ASA are now majically being held by SKW Inc. (not airline... INC.) for later assignment "based on Deltas forthcoming fleet plan." If you aint being whipsawed against each other than WTF do you call it Einstein?

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We all agree on the dirty whipsaw. Mangament in SGU is a bunch of high altitude tight wads, elbow noses, you know it. As for our overnight bags they go on the flight deck or in the overhead. Assuming you don't have a huge back it is not an issuse to use the storage space inside the aircraft. ASA needs to change that worthless crew bag policy asap.

Good luck on the new contract. Hopefully you won't lose by 1% like someone did in CVG...GOod he!!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

If you aint being whipsawed against each other than WTF do you call it Einstein?

So where did I say there wasn't a whipsaw going on? I'll bet you a hundred bucks you can't find a post I made to support your comment.

 

[flatspin7]

GO to AWAC--- Bid for the ORF base... I dont work there but the few people I have met there say there are a few pilots that own/ rent houses down on Virginia Beach and they party a lot... just my impression.

All of the Air Willy guys that I have met have been pretty cool.

(If you were in BGR on X-mas whazzup)

 

[Crossky]

GO to AWAC--- Bid for the ORF base... I dont work there but the few people I have met there say there are a few pilots that own/ rent houses down on Virginia Beach and they party a lot... just my impression.

All of the Air Willy guys that I have met have been pretty cool.

(If you were in BGR on X-mas whazzup)

Oh yea, party on Wayne.

At AWAC we all are pretty cool and party a lot. That's all we care about, being cool and partying. None of us are married or divorced or have kids or are about to retire or take early retirement from AWAC. Come on over. We even have the keg on an 8 hour lockout timer to keep us safe for showtime.

 

[capt. crunch]

did i mention that AWAC won't pay you $70 bucks? what a loser. Get a part time job at Taco Bell, make your HUGE extra bucks, bring some tacos to work so you can save MORE per diem, and then as an "experienced" 23 year old first year a$$wipe, you can afford an extra beer on your overnight and bitch to the other crews at the bar as to why you are SOOOO pissed off that the whole industry has gone into the toilet since your grandfather retired in 1993. I can't wait to find out that you got punched in the mouth at that bar. moron.

-CC

 

[BoilerUP]

Go to whoever offers you the first class date, who has bases closest to where you want to be, and who will allow you to make the most money & upgrade the fastest. There may be other factors involved too; only you can decide what is important to you.

Personally, I can't believe that a company as profitable as SKW pays $19.02/hr the first year, doesn't pay during training, and (as I understand it, could be wrong) makes you buy your Jepps the first year.

It would be a good problem to have to decide between these two companies. Good luck...