SkyWest Pay Proposal Rejected!!!

[sunlitpath]

Dear Comair pilots, you're out of a job soon because you're too expensive!!!!!!!

Comair is contractually expendable. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Skaff]

Hehe, how do you propose that we join your management mandated alliance?

Dear Skywest Pilots,

Stop posing and pretending. Join the Atlantic Southeast-ExpressJet alliance. We could be an unstoppable force for pilot compensation and quality of life work rules.

 

[sunlitpath]

hehe, how do you propose that we join your management mandated alliance?

1-800- alpa. Next time the vote comes around, don't be gay, vote yes.

 

[Flyer1015]

Congrats on turning down the payraise. Now that it's been turned down, what's to stop Skywest management from giving ya'll the middle finger and saying "well, maybe next year!" and leave you with your current rates.

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No flame, honest question.

 

[CX880]

Congrats on turning down the payraise. Now that it's been turned down, what's to stop Skywest management from giving ya'll the middle finger and saying "well, maybe next year!" and leave you with your current rates.

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No flame, honest question.

Who cares. Do you want these guys to get better paid or what? First you make fun of them for being company yes men and now they say no more and you're questioning that too?

 

[Bako Cap]

1-800- alpa. Next time the vote comes around, don't be gay, vote yes.

That is at least 1.5 to 5 years away. It took ALPA 8 years to try SkyWest again after a 6 vote loss only to lose again by 15%. Former organizers don't want to deal with the hard work just to have their fellow pilots shoot down a union again. The portion of the pilot group who have been most vocal about voting no in the recent pay proposal are the same ones who told me they voted no 3 years ago in the ALPA drive. Those pilots are screaming for an ALPA drive now but don't want to do the work.

Management has no fear of a union on the SkyWest side. They will not negotiate (rework) anything with a union drive in motion. It is in their best interest to drag the next pay proposal out for as long as possible and delay a union drive only to throw us a bone to keep the majority happy.

 

[Bako Cap]

Congrats on turning down the payraise. Now that it's been turned down, what's to stop Skywest management from giving ya'll the middle finger and saying "well, maybe next year!" and leave you with your current rates.

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No flame, honest question.

Nothing, This was done the last time SkyWest voted down a pay proposal (72% no votes, much more than our current 51% no votes). It took over a year for the next proposal and it was worse than the first one. Fear of getting nothing for another year helped it pass.

 

[Bako Cap]

Comair is contractually expendable. Nothing more, nothing less.

All regionals are.....

 

[trip]

Congrats on turning down the payraise. Now that it's been turned down, what's to stop Skywest management from giving ya'll the middle finger and saying "well, maybe next year!" and leave you with your current rates.

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No flame, honest question.

This would be in the company's best interest as a lot can change in 1 yr, like UAL scope, exit Airtran/SWA, rest rules, Mesa success, I don't see much that would bring them back to the table with their pocketbook out.

 

[ex j-41]

Dear Comair pilots, you're out of a job soon because you're too expensive!!!!!!!

No Mesa was too cheap.

 

[tzwarrior]

So Skywest is now ExpressJet, ASA and Skywest right? Why don't the pilots of all 3 groups work together? I mean there is a reason why management keeps the companies separate. There are so many areas that a synergy would reduce costs, but I'm sure they've figured out that keeping all the various union and non-union groups walking on thin ice with a continuous undertone of (who's getting what flying) is far more cost beneficial than the synergy of combining the groups.

I was re-educating myself on alter-ego and found this... so it looks like Skywest is maintaining enough separation.


http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2002/29n071.html

The following are indicia of a single transportation system:
[W]hether a combined schedule is published; how the carrier advertises its services; whether reservation systems are combined; whether tickets are issued on one carrier's stock; if signs, logos and other publicly visible indicia have been changed to indicate only one carrier's existence; whether personnel with public contact were held out as employees of one carrier; and whether the process of repainting planes and other equipment, to eliminate indications of separate existence, has been progressed.
Other factors investigated by the Board seek to determine if the carriers have combined their operations from a managerial and labor relations perspective. Here, the Board investigates whether labor relations and personnel functions are handled by one carrier; whether there are a common management, common corporate officers and interlocking Boards of Directors; whether there is a combined workforce; and whether separate identities are maintained for corporate and other purposes.

 

[tzwarrior]

Work collectively on 1 CBA and include some non-negotiable language that provides flow between the groups if one group furloughs. I'm sure the company would use one group as a sacrificial lamb creating furloughs, but force the language to allow people to flow between the groups maintaining their YOS with SkyWest Holdings for pay and DOH for bidding. It would benefits the whole group. Skywest is the biggest, do something industry leading and start pulling in other pilot groups from other regional airlines and create RALPA lol or something to stop the regional groups from getting played.

 

[COOPERVANE]

MGMT is playing chess.

Pilots keep yelling KING ME!!