Skywest leaving DFW - or?

[Tim47SIP]

I just read a couple of publications (including Delta's) that have several changes in the DFW area. Either Skywest is slowly being withdrawn from DFW or they will be used for additional expansion to newer destinations. Here are the routes that ASA will replace Skywest aircraft on in the next 4 months.
DFW to:
DEN - 3 flights
AUS - 5 flights
SAT - 2 flights
PHX - 3 flights
MSP - 3 flights
and one flight for the following destinations:
DIA, ELP, HIA, MEM, MCI, TYS, SDF, ICT, OKC, and BNA.

ASA loses several destinations to Comair to pick up Skywest flying. **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**tytaco picks up all of the JFK expansion. Not sure what routes Comair is scheduled to replace Skywest with.
This equates to 26 flights. I don't know how many they still have in DFW, but with the last pull out of Skywest when they took over Delta's last bank out of SLC and now this, it looks as if they will only have a slight presence.

Any Skywest guys know if you are expanding in other areas? Or are you getting rid of the DFW base (if there was one)? Just curious.

On a brighter issue, Delta replaces ASA on three routes with MD88 service. SAT being one of them and also additional VPS service from ATL. Looks like things are starting to work the way it is supposed to with DCI building the feed and Delta taking over when the loads can handle the service. I hope it continues this way!

 

[ERJDRVR]

We have been told that CHQ will GREATLY reduce our flying in DFW

 

[DDpaysoff]

I think what you mean to say is you are not sure what ATL routes comair is going to pick up so ASA can pick up DFW skywest flying? Word is Comair is putting 40 through new hire class in Feb and 40 in Mar. Now, based on the fact that we only have 8 A/c coming this year, I would say this hiring is due to an additional base coming this summer. Unfortunately, looks like ATL.
However, there is one thing missing. Where is the portfolio concept for DFW? Sounds to me like all ASA.

 

[Tim47SIP]

ASADFW7

I thought this was nothing new with Skywest's expansion in SLC, which was annouced a couple months back, and this is the shift in routes from previously pposted changes.

I did explain, what you are talking about is the last bank of flying in SLC for Delta mainline. That happened 1 Jan. What I am talking about is happening over the next few months in DFW.

As far as Comair coming to ATL, I guess that sounds feasible. Delta management is moving a considerable amount of 50 seat slots to DFW and expanding 70 seat slots in ATL. They need someone to replace the lost 50 seat flying so I guess Comair could do that. It is really not a problem when Comair shares any of the DCI flying with ASA as that is internal expantion. It is the external expansion that I am worried about. An ALPA rep recently (yesterday) told me that the long term plan was to slowly phase out Skywest, but I personally can't see that happening. We shall see.

 

[General Lee]

A lot of the SLC expansion for Skywest (the last night bank and most of the Montana cities) has moved the Delta aircraft to different cites to maximize on the DL/NW/CO codeshare. (Added flights to MSP, DTW from SLC on 733s) and moved MD-90 flights to cover 757 flights (DFW--LAX, DFW--SEA etc..) that are now going to fly from JFK. This is all a big aircraft shuffle.

As far as ASA getting most of DFW, I can see that in the last Skyguide book. I wouldn't be surprised if Comair and ASA were equal in departures out of ATL soon, with ASA keeping DFW, Comair keeping CVG and LGA flying, and Skywest getting most of SLC along with alittle ASA/Comair. The real question will be who will get BOS eventually, and what about LA---when and if we get rid of the Eagle codeshare (which is almost useless).

And, it is good that Mainline is getting a few new MD-88 flights from ASA etc.....We need to keep those planes full too....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DDpaysoff]

Re: ASADFW7

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As far as Comair coming to ATL, I guess that sounds feasible. Delta management is moving a considerable amount of 50 seat slots to DFW and expanding 70 seat slots in ATL. They need someone to replace the lost 50 seat flying so I guess Comair could do that. It is really not a problem when Comair shares any of the DCI flying with ASA as that is internal expantion. It is the external expansion that I am worried about. An ALPA rep recently (yesterday) told me that the long term plan was to slowly phase out Skywest, but I personally can't see that happening. We shall see.

Yeah, we do that well; replace flying.
Anyway, as far as skywest goes I would like to know who your source is so you can rub it in their face when the RFP results are 'announced'. Skywest is by far the best non wholly owned DCI carrier and not only are they not going away, they will be growing.

 

[General Lee]

I heard Expressjet was also in the running, and my friend there said they would get some of the 45 jets.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[everyonedoa360]

they (Skywest) not going away, they will be growing

Well, Since we have no RJs on order for the DL side and EMBs are going bye-bye (one by one) in SLC I'm not to sure how we are growing on the DL side. Which this topic is talking about. You might be thinking that Skywest will be getting those 70s that Comair didn't want to bid on, but since I've read (On our own boards) that DL didn't even want us to bid on that flying I'm once again not to sure we will be growing on the DL side. Sadly I'm having more hope on the UAL side then the DL side.

 

[DDpaysoff]

Well, Since we have no RJs on order for the DL side and EMBs are going bye-bye (one by one) in SLC I'm not to sure how we are growing on the DL side. Which this topic is talking about. You might be thinking that Skywest will be getting those 70s that Comair didn't want to bid on, but since I've read (On our own boards) that DL didn't even want us to bid on that flying I'm once again not to sure we will be growing on the DL side. Sadly I'm having more hope on the UAL side then the DL side.

As far as the '70's go I'm sure Gen Lee or scrapmo, whatever you want to call him can explain why skywest will not be flying them under the DAL code. Unless of course RJDC succeds. What the RJDC doesn't realize is that if they win, there is nothing that prevents DAL from taking CMR's 70 seat jets and putting them on SKYW property. I am talking about 50 seat growth out of SLC next year, the bid for 45 rj's. Sorry, it is not feasible for CHQ or CO-EX to take on new equipment and under-bid CMR and ASA. Skywest will get some of those jets.

 

[asapilot]

Check your sources

Here are the routes that ASA will replace Skywest aircraft on in the next 4 months.

DFW to:
DEN - 3 flights
AUS - 5 flights
SAT - 2 flights
PHX - 3 flights
MSP - 3 flights
and one flight for the following destinations:
DIA, ELP, HIA, MEM, MCI, TYS, SDF, ICT, OKC, and BNA.

Tim-

Where have you been? All of these things have already happened or is about to. Skywest no longer operates any flights from DFW to AUS,SAT,or MSP. We already took the 3 PHX and 3 DEN starts on Sunday. If they don't do it anymore, we can't very well replace them on it in the future can we? This is part of the 1/1 expansion that was publicized way back as are the other destinations you mentioned. Oh yeah, where the hell is DIA? I think they're done with that designator now.

 

[sleepy]

"And, it is good that Mainline is getting a few new MD-88 flights from ASA etc.....We need to keep those planes full too...."

There goes the mainline again, stealing ASA flying.

 

[wms]

And, it is good that Mainline is getting a few new MD-88 flights from ASA etc.....We need to keep those planes full too....

This is something that was going to happen. we've seen it coming and there will be more. It's good for the airline, it's good for the pax and it's good for us. There would have been more already if there weren't negotiations going on between DAL and DALPA. And I believe that when they sign an agreement there will be a lot more. Hopefully DAL right-sizes all it's markets soon and becomes profitable again. It would be foolish for DAL to pass up opportunties for growth because of labor issues. This happened to USAir in the 90s.

All sectors have their weaknesses. The RJ sector's is that when the airline needs more mainline than RJs due to loads and the fact that full mainline aircraft are more profitable than RJs, flying will shift to mainline and the RJs will slow. After all, hasn't that been our arguement all along? That Mainline will grow due to the feed and market-sizing that the RJs provide. This has been slow until now because of the economy, but it's coming to fruition.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Where have I been?

asapilot


Where have you been? All of these things have already happened or is about to. Skywest no longer operates any flights from DFW to AUS,SAT,or MSP. We already took the 3 PHX and 3 DEN starts on Sunday. If they don't do it anymore, we can't very well replace them on it in the future can we?

I have been on MLOA for 18 months and then in training on the 50 and then 70 (with you). I was aware of the original plan but did not realise the scope. The artical that I read only talked about a major shift in Jan, but did not state that it was a 4-5 month process. I am sure this stuff was planned along time ago, but as you can tell, I was not fully aware of all the details. The reason I searched for the info is the ALPA guy I am flying with told me of a phase out with Skywest so I became curious as to where they were going. My bad I guess. But thanks for the info.

 

[sleepy]

This is the best rumor that I've heard in awhile! 80 new hires in the next couple of months. Sweet!!!

As far as an ATL base...junior man me, baby...I'm there!

And some of you wonder why ASA pilots are really starting to dislike these Comair people. There you go.

 

[MetroSheriff]

This is the best rumor that I've heard in awhile! 80 new hires in the next couple of months. Sweet!!!

As far as an ATL base...junior man me, baby...I'm there!

KingAir,

I understand wanting to be domiciled a little closer to home. HOWEVER, given the current state of affairs your post is in EXTREMELY poor taste.

Imagine how you would have felt if ASA folks were publicly longing for a CVG domicile while you were on strike.


The last thing we need is bad blood between the ASA-Comair pilots right now.

One must think before one posts. Musn't one?

 

[KingAirKiddo]

Metro,

Point taken...I'll just delete both posts and call it a day...

I've spent entirely too much time on this board today anyway.

KAK

 

[bvt1151]

ddpaysoff,

You are competely incorrect about the RJDC. I would suggest you become educated before you say such things.
The RJDC is concerned about the union misrepresenting its own union members. How would that apply to Skywest and even CHQ who are not part of ALPA? The RJDC is not against scope either. Try reading up, I'm sure you'd learn a lot.
http://www.rjdefense.com

Unless of course RJDC succeds. What the RJDC doesn't realize is that if they win, there is nothing that prevents DAL from taking CMR's 70 seat jets and putting them on SKYW property.

PS - It should be said that I am not a backer of the RJDC, nor do I advocate the premis of the lawsuit.

 

[Long Time Gone]

KingAir,

..................

One must think before one posts. Musn't one?

As they say......Common sense isn't always common, is it? At least he was nice enough to delete the posts.

LTG

 

[KingAirKiddo]

Actually, the more I think about it this is all the more reason that the Comair and ASA pilot groups should simply be merged into one company. As a pilot of a wholly-owned subsidiary of Delta Airlines, like you, why shouldn't I be excited by the prospect of another city besides Cincinnati in which to be based? I personally view Comair and ASA in the light of what's mine is yours and what's yours is mine, and not we "own" Cincinnati and you "own" Atlanta and Dallas. In essence, one "Delta Connection" with one contract, a return of mainline flying as markets become stronger, and bye-bye contract carriers.

Admittedly, I did fail to remember that ASA is in contract negotiations when I first posted and do apologize for what must have been an insulting message. However,this just reinforces my position that there should be no "us vs. them" between ASA/Comair and mainline for that matter.

Your thoughts?

 

[MetroSheriff]

KingAIr,

Just to clarify, I know what you meant and I took no offense given the context. I was just saying that the timing was a tad poor.

That being said, I think you would be hard pressed to find many folks (on the labor side) that would be against the merger of ASA/Comair. More leverage, less corporate redundancy, better economies of scale, etc., etc., etc.

All reasons why management would fight it to the death (IMHO). I know at ASA we would be best served if DL just closed up the Puzzle Palace on Viginia Ave and moved the whole shootin' match up to Northern Kentucky.

For all their faults the mgt at Comair seems to know how to run an airline. At least thats how it seems passing thru CVG.