SKYWEST incident

[amfteamster]

How did these guys shoot an approach with weather reporting at 1/4sm? Just curious. do they know something I don't?

NTSB Identification: CHI04IA056
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier operation of SKYWEST AIRLINES INC (D.B.A. Skywest Airlines)
Incident occurred Sunday, January 18, 2004 in Rapid City, SD
Aircraft: Bombardier CL-600-2B19, registration: N595SW
Injuries: 35 Uninjured.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

On January 17, 2004, at about 2209 mountain standard time, a Bombardier CL-600-2B19, operated by Skywest Airlines, as flight 3855, contacted the runway with the left wing tip, while landing on runway 32 (8,701 feet by 150 feet, dry concrete) at the Rapid City Regional Airport (RAP), Rapid City, South Dakota. The airplane received minor damage to the wing tip. The captain, copilot, flight attendant, and 32 passengers were not injured. The 14 CFR Part 121 scheduled passenger flight was operating in instrument meteorological conditions on an instrument flight rules (IFR) flight plan. The flight originated from Salt Lake City, Utah, at 2035.

The crew had flown the ILS runway 32 approach into RAP just prior to the incident. The air traffic control tower at RAP was closed a the time of landing. Flight 3855 was in contact with Ellsworth Air Force Base approach control.

A special flight permit which was completed after the incident states, "Crew said when they landed they were heavy with ice, and got no flare on landing. Landed pretty hard capt said and had contact on runway with lt wing tip."

Inspection of the airplane on the following afternoon, revealed 1/2 inch to 3/4 inch of rime ice was visible on the tail, windshield wipers, and unprotected areas of the airframe.

The RAP weather observation were recorded as:

Observation Time: 2211 mst
Wind: 070 degrees at 6 knots
Visibility: 1/4 statute miles with freezing fog
Sky Condition: Indefinate 100 feet
Temperature: -2 degrees Celsius
Dew Point: -2 degrees Celsius
Pressure: 30.13 inches of mercury

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Maybe there was in rvr report or the weather went down after inside the marker. I dont know if ether would apply, because the tower was closed.

 

[AVI1900D]

Whats going to happen to the pilots. More of a reason to vote for a union.

 

[strega7]

Amfteamster you fly the Brasilia and said, "How did these guys shoot an approach with weather reporting at 1/4sm? Just curious. do they know something I don't?" Are you serious?

 

[jergar999]

Rapid City has no means of reporting RVR, nor is there a CAT II approach to the airport. One of our company King Airs followed them into RAP and went missed, the pilot said he encountered some pretty nasty ice all the way down.

 

[Pez D. Spencer]

The landing was at 2209, and the weather observation was 2 minutes later. They can begin the approach as long as they have the required vis - but, for landing it's the flight vis that counts. Can visibility change in 4-5 minutes, sure... regardless, the weather observation after the landing is useless in implicating the pilots. You can't say they did anything wrong until you know what the report was before the approach - and, if you weren't in the cockpit to judge the vis at DA, how do you know what it was?

Did they hit a wing tip because of the visibility -- or b/c they were "heavy with ice?"

Probably the ice.

 

[House_X]

Whats going to happen to the pilots. More of a reason to vote for a union.

Yeah...it's amazing how union busters can turn into tie pin wearing ALPA cheerleaders. As soon as your pay is cut and/or you have an incident they come running....

 

[AirBill]

Yeah...it's amazing how union busters can turn into tie pin wearing ALPA cheerleaders. As soon as your pay is cut and/or you have an incident they come running....

And, of course, you have proof that this person is a union buster, mr. RJ jockey??

Pot, meet kettle.....

While we're on the subject of hypocrisy -- and I apologize if I over-generalize here -- isn't it odd that pilots, who are for the most part fairly conservative, turn decidedly to the left when talking union matters? It's like voting for Dubya, but part of you wants Kucinich running the Labor Department.

 

[DoinTime]

While we're on the subject of hypocrisy -- and I apologize if I over-generalize here -- isn't it odd that pilots, who are for the most part fairly conservative, turn decidedly to the left when talking union matters? It's like voting for Dubya, but part of you wants Kucinich running the Labor Department.

Why do people think that because you support traditionally liberal views on some platforms yet conservative views on others that this makes you a hypocrite?

 

[TOGA]

In fact, a party line vote for the sake of the party line is, by definition, hypocritical. 'Hmm, I don't really feel that way, but the rest of the gang does, so . . . '

 

[AirBill]

Why do people think that because you support traditionally liberal views on some platforms yet conservative views on others that this makes you a hypocrite?

OK, it was late and I'll give you that one.

How about 'ironic'?

 

[RegionalFA]

OK, it was late and I'll give you that one.

How about 'ironic'?

personally I'd say "diverse" or "opinionated".


"interesting" at best.

 

[House_X]

And, of course, you have proof that this person is a union buster, mr. RJ jockey??

Pot, meet kettle.....

While we're on the subject of hypocrisy -- and I apologize if I over-generalize here -- isn't it odd that pilots, who are for the most part fairly conservative, turn decidedly to the left when talking union matters? It's like voting for Dubya, but part of you wants Kucinich running the Labor Department.

First thing's first...LSU S#CKS!!!!

Now that the formalities are out of the way...

I never said that the alleged was a union buster. My point is regarding pro and cons of unions. When you go through an incident like the one above...your union pin will be on your tie...that's all I'm saying. The same people that compalin about ALPA run to it in times of crisis. I think ALPA does a great job with safety issues. Many of safety issues that APLA fights for benefits all pilot groups, union and non-union.