skywest asa

[Terrain Terrain]

hey so if i decide to let skywest hire me, wil asa guys be behind me after the staple/merge or will it someday be date of hire. thanks.

just getting ready to bail on PDT because ALPA and our MEC has screwed us so bad its not even funny, oh yea PSA has done us in the 2 hole all so.

 

[sweptback]

hey so if i decide to let skywest hire me, wil asa guys be behind me after the staple/merge or will it someday be date of hire. thanks.

This should be a fun thread. :uzi:

 

[SBD-2U3]

Are you just bored? Try the 900 numbers...atleast they are more entertaining.

 

[homerjdispatch]

nevermind...it wasnt nicehttp://images.google.com/imgres?img.../images?q=red+stapler&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&sa=N

 

[MYFpilot]

hey so if i decide to let skywest hire me, wil asa guys be behind me after the staple/merge or will it someday be date of hire. thanks.

just getting ready to bail on PDT because ALPA and our MEC has screwed us so bad its not even funny, oh yea PSA has done us in the 2 hole all so.

From a reliable source:

DOH, 2 SkyWest for every Acey, and 5 year fence on Equip/domicle xfers

...coming soon to a senioity list near you

 

[Pogue Mahone]

hey so if i decide to let skywest hire me, wil asa guys be behind me after the staple/merge or will it someday be date of hire. thanks.

just getting ready to bail on PDT because ALPA and our MEC has screwed us so bad its not even funny, oh yea PSA has done us in the 2 hole all so.

I see you were an English major, with a minor in flaming.

 

[Crizz]

From a reliable source:

DOH, 2 SkyWest for every Acey, and 5 year fence on Equip/domicle xfers

...coming soon to a senioity list near you

So if I understand this correctly, the first 1100 or so Aceys (half of skyw)would be integrated into the SW list, then the last XXX would be stapled to the bottom?

 

[flylowman]

you can count me out I will quit before I will go for anything like a staple. What if we staple SkyW to our list? Interesting?

 

[front9]

What if we staple SkyW to our list?

Sorry buddy, ASA didn't buy Skywest.

 

[Gobi Gred]

Merger...never going to happen

 

[pookie]

What 2 to 1 means is that if two pilots were hired at skywest and asa at the same time, then the fo hired at skywest will have twice the seniority of the asa fo. Two skywest pilots will be more senior than each individual asa fo. It makes sense since skywest bought asa. I am sure many skywest guys are saying to just staple asa. I dont work for neither so it does not really matter to me.

 

[pookie]

Skywest's new logo should be the red staple from Office Space.

 

[CFIT]

From a reliable source:

DOH, 2 SkyWest for every Acey, and 5 year fence on Equip/domicle xfers

...coming soon to a senioity list near you

Too much much bong water.....
I think the chances of integration run about a thousand to one.

I hope your "reliable source" isn't giving you investment advise too.

 

[Splert]

SkyWest Airlines did not buy ASA.

Whoever thinks SkyWest Inc. will ever integrate two or more (TBD) pilot groups into a single list are probably convinced that it would save the company a lot of money if they did.

The best situation for SkyWest Inc is keep within it quiver two or more pilot groups who have proven more than happy to cut off their left testicle or breast for 10 more SJ’s.

Repeat after me: “You are right where they (SkyWest Inc.) want you”.

Don’t worry, after all SkyWest Airlines, ASA etc. are just stepping stones to a better career, pay and QOL outside of aviation, right Dave.

Good Day.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Sorry buddy, ASA didn't buy Skywest.

Sorry! Wrong! It doesn't matter who bought who! The railway Labor Act is pretty clear how this works if you took more time reading and less time shooting your mouth off.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I love all this "reliable source" stuff. Yeah, stick "I heard from a reliable source..." in front of a BS post and you get instant credibility, right?

Take it from experieice, here's how the system works:

Let's pretend Jerry merges the companies tomorrow. A representational vote will go out, between ALPA or nothing. Since ALPA lost out by 1% last time, let's say 45% of Skywest pilots vote for ALPA and 75% of ASA pilots vote for ALPA. ALPA wins. Now ALPA's Merger Policy takes over. Negotiations will begin fo find the MOST FAIR method for everyone. What that means is that everyone will give up something. Mediation then arbirtation will be used is necessary. The end product will be what's called "relative seniority", meaning that you will be integrated at a place that will preserve your % spot on the seniority list, but not necessarily DOH. The very senior and very junior pilots will be screwed. The mid seniority will hardly move at all. This is the industry standard, when two viable airlines are merged, folks.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

hey so if i decide to let skywest hire me, wil asa guys be behind me after the staple/merge or will it someday be date of hire. thanks.

just getting ready to bail on PDT because ALPA and our MEC has screwed us so bad its not even funny, oh yea PSA has done us in the 2 hole all so.

It will not be an issue because ASA will strike and then Skywest will be downsizing to stay alive. Which will be Skywest managements fault for purchasing a company that deserves a fair contract. Unfortunately, this will be the reality of it. And if Skywest and any other DAL Connection carrier flys the planes or routes well- can you say see ya on the ever growing scablist. We as pilots need to pull together and unify, very seriously because the management types are going to continue to divide and conquer.

 

[Weasil]

Here's what happened with AA and TWA.

The merger of seniority lists was a contentious issue, particularly for pilots, who were represented by different unions at the two airlines. In the final merger, 60 percent of all former TWA pilots were moved to the bottom of the seniority list at AA: the most senior TWA captain, hired in 1963, was integrated at the same seniority level as an AA captain hired in 1985. However, the TWA pilots were given "super-seniority" and a specified ratio of positions as captain if they stayed in St. Louis. The result was that most former TWA pilots stayed in St. Louis and roughly maintained their same relative seniority. A few left St. Louis and flew in the co-pilot seat next to AA pilots with significantly less seniority. In addition, all former TWA flight attendants (approximately 4,200 employees) were furloughed by mid-2003 due to the flight attendants' union putting former TWA flight attendants at the bottom of their seniority list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines

 

[amcnd]

Wont happen for a long time (if it even happens) you will be Jet CA long before it happens!! less then 2 years now!!!

The fact is SkyWest is nonunion... ASA is ALPA, It will happen now faster then ASA and Comair putting there list together!! That never happened.

 

[JECKEL]

The order of the day is to keep the lists seperate. This allows management the most leverage and control over the pilots in their operation. To quote prior merger policies and outcomes is immaterial. They will never be intergrated. Skywest and ASA will remain seperate and whoever buys Comair will keep them on a seperate list as well. This gives the most advantage to the powers that be. Pilots and Union feelings and concerns will not prevail nor will they even be considered.

 

[Papa Woody]

Sorry buddy, ASA didn't buy Skywest.

And Skywest didn't buy ASA.

Skywest holdings, which owns Skywest Airlines, bought ASA.

Now Skywest holding owns 2 airlines: Skywest, and ASA.

And since Skywest Airlines is non-union, they are favored by management solely for this reason. However, since they have no union, they have no protection under a merger, and so it's unlikely Skywest Holdings would do a "2 to 1" DOH scheme, since management only does these type of "screw you" integration if they are forced to by a union.

Sorry...Skywest is only another Skywest airline.

 

[capt. megadeth]

However, since they have no union, they have no protection under a merger

"Protection" ROTFLMAO!!!!

Ask UAL, DAL, Airways about their union "protection"

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

quote- Skywest didn't buy ASA.

Yeah right! A large cash and paper shuffle took place to create Skywest holdings. The money to finance the purchase of ASA did not magically appear out of thin air. Where did it come from ?

From the profits generated by the workers at Skywest airlines.

Yes we have a dog in this fight. Percentage based merger....

 

[Erlanger]

For those that want to keep on saying that Skywest didn't buy ASA. Jerry Atkin said in a company newsletter recently that Skywest, Inc is for legal purposes only and really doesn't exist. There are only 2 employees that for legal reasons are part of Skywest, Inc, but aren't really employees of it. One is him and another is the CFO. But he says that he and the CFO are and is to this day actually, employees of Skywest Airlines. He says that ASA pays 40% of his and the CFO salaries. Skywest Airlines pays the 60%. ASA is billed for any services such as the IT Dept.

Ron Reber, President of Skywest Airlines also said in that newsletter, don't be surprised to see Skywest Airlines airplanes in Atlanta someday. As far as LAX is concerned. He didn't say Skywest Airlines can't operate in LAX. He said that the amount of flying that may be allocated may be more then it will be allowed under the agreements with United. So he suggested that Skywest Airlines will get atleast some of it. As with other cities, Skywest Airlines has always gotten United and Delta to give in. They will this time again, so ASA folks; don't get too excited about coming to LAX yet. Personally, I think they're playing with you guys again. They're dangling the carrot and then they'll say sorry, the flyings going to Skywest. You guys will never learn!

Skywest Airlines is their baby and they don't give a crap about you guys. Skywest airplanes will be coming to Atlanta.

P.S. Right after Skywest bought ASA, I said that the SLC base would be closed and that Skywest would be sending planes to Atlanta. I'll find that thread and provide a link to it. It was known then of their intentions and still is their plan. So of you had better wake up!

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

Well at least all of the pilots on both sides of Skywest Holdings Inc. are looking out for each other's greater good and not being petty.

 

[Splert]

For those that want to keep on saying that Skywest didn't buy ASA. Jerry Atkin said in a company newsletter recently that Skywest, Inc is for legal purposes only and really doesn't exist. There are only 2 employees that for legal reasons are part of Skywest, Inc, but aren't really employees of it. One is him and another is the CFO. But he says that he and the CFO are and is to this day actually, employees of Skywest Airlines.

You and JA are correct, SkyWest Inc. is for legal purposes: it allows JA to run 2 or more airlines separately and in perpetuity without a single transportation system determination to be made. This thing that “doesn’t exist” is worth millions and millions of dollars in the ability to play the employees groups off each other.

However, stop sipping the "flavor-aid". He is treating the employees like fools with these statements and if you believe him then you are also a fool.

The Board of Directors is SkyWest Inc.’s not SkyWest Airlines. SkyWest Inc. has been in existence for over 34 years.

Oh, wait a minute...what is the stock price of SkyWest Airlines. "Really doesn't exist" my a$$. SkyWest Inc. is listed not SkyWest Airlines.

Deal with it…SkyWest Inc. owns ASA and SkyWest Airlines and another feeder to be determined. SkyWest Inc bought ASA with the sweat equity of SkyWest Airlines employees. Now JA will turn around and use ASA/SkyWest Airline against each other inorder to lower the only operational expenses not passed though to UAL and DAL (read at risk for) - employee costs.

Skywest Airlines is their baby and they don't give a crap about you guys. Skywest airplanes will be coming to Atlanta.

The "baby" are the family members of JA on the BOD compensation committee that freely give to JA and others hundreds of thousands of stock option each year at great strike prices. He doesn’t give a crap about ASA or SkyWest Airlines. He may look and talk like he does but it's all about share holder value to him, RR and BR.

Standby, SkyWest and ASA are about to maximize the value of these options with your QOL and pay. It was the willingness of SkyWest's pilot group to remain flexible that lead to this situtation.

Jerry is smart and most of the employees are apparently inbreed for their unique gullibility gene.

Good day

 

[Ben Dover]

He doesn’t give a crap about ASA or SkyWest Airlines.

....

Jerry is smart and most of the employees are apparently inbreed for their unique gullibility gene.

Dude, maybe it's time to go back to anger management therapy.

 

[Splert]

Ouch!!!...you got me Dr. Laura.

Maybe it's time to go back to the compound, ranch, collective farm or whatever you call it these days and <insert your username here>.

The "he doesn't give a crap" where Erlanger's words. I used them to provide emphasis that Erlanger doesn't get it. Both ASA and SkyWest are in the same boat.

I’m sorry that you apparently don’t get it either.

Good day

 

[front9]

Skywest didn’t buy ASA, Skywest Inc. did.

Wow talk about denial, I guess it doesn’t really matter how you word it, ASA was bought by another company. Wake up ASA guys/gals, Mother Delta SOLD you. You guys who want to get technical and say “well Skywest didn’t really purchase us” better get a clue. And for those that dream of a DOH integration, you can have that when hell freezes over. I don’t want to see a staple happen either, but would like to see at least a 3 to 1 with fences for the younger SKYWEST guys. Oh, and the SLC thing, that was ours to begin with so stop bitching. Cheers.

 

[ASA_Willy]

I hope your "reliable source" isn't giving you investment advise too.

Gee, I was kinda hoping that he is.