SkyWest and Mesa agree to UAL J4J

[Beechnut]

UAL Jets for Jobs now Official

UAL Pilots take Skywest and Mesa jobs
To: Furloughed United Pilots

From: Todd Coomans, UAL-MEC Furlough Coordinator

On Wednesday, the United MEC ratified a letter of agreement with UAL that will allow United pilots to be offered employment with our United Express partners, including Mesa Air and SkyWest. We are in the process of working out the details and will be sending informational packets as soon as they are prepared and ready for shipment. I anticipate this information being in your hands no later than the first week of September.

To be eligible for employment with Mesa Air and SkyWest, a United pilot must be on furlough or have received notice of furlough. Hiring will be administered by the MEC office. Please do not contact Mesa or SkyWest directly about this agreement.

The following are some highlights of the Letter of Agreement prepared by Negotiating Committee Chairman Captain Wendy Morse and her committee.

Number of Jobs - Any feeder carrier that has an agreement with UAL to take delivery of SJs with a certificated seating capacity in excess of 50 seats, but not more than 70, must offer 5 jobs per SJ-70. These are guaranteed jobs, not interviews.
Type of Jobs - At least 60% of the total jobs per carrier must be in the right seat of a jet, the rest can be in any equipment. The jet jobs are not specific to the SJ-70 because the carriers have the same pay rate for 50 and 70 seat jets and will likely operate them as a common fleet type. The jobs will not necessarily be in the carrier’s United Express operation.
Pay rates - All pilots will start at 2nd year jet F/O pay rates. Their pay will remain at that rate until the regular wage scale surpasses it. This rate is $27-35 per hour, depending on the carrier, compared to new-hire pay of $17. UAL is picking up the tab for the difference.
Probation - Pilots will be subject to what we call quasi-probation. They will technically be on “probation,” but they will have access to the same due process as any non-probationary pilot.
Resignation - Pilots will not be required to resign their seniority number from UAL.
Training Bond Repayment - If a pilot is recalled and owes money to the carrier as a result of a training bond, UAL will pay the remaining obligation.
We have posted on the MEC website at www.alpa.org the Letter of Agreement between ALPA and UAL, as well as links to the Mesa Air collective bargaining agreement, Mesa Air domiciles and equipment, the Mesa Air website and the SkyWest website. Please note that the pilot section of SkyWest.com is expected to be offline until mid October. We will post more information on SkyWest as it becomes available.

It is important that your MEC has current information on all furloughed United pilots. Please be certain that ALPA and United have your address, phone number, e-mail and other relevant information.

Please be patient. More information will be provided as it becomes available.

 

[OOramperpilot]

Saying it don't make it so.

All this says is that UAPLA has written a letter of agreement. It doesn't say that anyone has actually signed this Letter.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

If you read carefully the letter was signed off by the MEC and UAL management. It doesn't mention approval by Mesa or SkyWest.

 

[OOramperpilot]

I stand corrected, but as you said Dave, I looks as though it was only signed by folks sitting on one side of the table

 

[~~~^~~~]

I stand corrected, but as you said Dave, I looks as though it was only signed by folks sitting on one side of the table

What difference does that make? ALPA locked Mesa out of the room. Skywest is not union. Here is a repost of what is going on at PSA.

PROBLEM:
How can a pilot, with his/her career interests at mainline US Airways, be expected to act in the best interest of an Express carrier?

Should US Airways pilots be able to vote and hold office at a wholly owned or contract carrier while participating in Jets for Jobs?

SUBJECT:
Voting or holding office at affiliated carriers through Jets for Jobs

(Dual Seniority on affiliated carriers)

SOURCE:
PSA Airlines

BACKGROUND:
Jets for jobs is a new concept with unique problems. US Airways pilots have managed to obtain jobs at Express carriers without communication or negotiation with said carriers.

With the advent of “Jets for Jobs”, the potential exists for mainline pilots to hold union positions where they can make policy changes and advance agendas that would benefit them and mainline with little or no regard to the company or the pilots of the affiliated carriers.

PROPOSED RESOLUTION:
Whereas jets for jobs is a new concept with unique problems, and

Whereas Jets for Jobs has been embraced by ALPA national and signed by ALPA President Captain Duane E. Woerth, and

Whereas the (USAirways) mainline pilots have already negotiated items causing potential harm to affiliate pilots without consulting any affiliated carriers, and

Whereas (USAirways) mainline has shown no intent in stopping their pursuit of negotiating agreements to protect their pilots at the expense of affiliate pilots, and

Whereas this continued negligence could lead to the downfall of ALPA.

Therefore be it resolved that the mainline pilots shall be barred from voting or holding an elected office at a participating affiliate carrier through Jets for Jobs until such a time an equitable solution can be found.

Moved PSA]

 

[surplus1]

Who is making this resolution? Is it the PSA MEC? If so, where are they "moving" it -- the Executive Board?

If its just an internal PSA MEC resolution, they can't stop anyone from voting in an ALPA shop. Meaningless. Nice try but not valid.

If the PSA MEC is moving this at the Executive Board, I predict the mainline carriers will vote it down in a heartbeat.

 

[VFR on Top]

For that matter, I'm not so sure I agree that pilots obtaining jobs through any sort of mainline welfare arrangement such as J4J should enjoy any right of seniority at the express carriers, including those for bid purposes; let 'em sit permanent reserve and let the guys who are actually getting paid 1st year poverty wages a chance to make more than the reserve guarantee.

 

[crashpad]

Does this mean the favor will be reciprocated to the pilots flying express carriers when the majors start hiring again? That's a long ways ahead, but it would'nt seem an unreasonable request open for negotiation at this time.

 

[OOramperpilot]

LL

What difference does that make? ALPA locked Mesa out of the room. Skywest is not union. Here is a repost of what is going on at PSA.

The difference is, SkyWest pilots voted down US Airways J4J proposal, and there is nothing to indicate, this could not get voted down as well by the SkyWest Pilot group.

On the other side of the coin, since as you say, we are non-union, and in theory, Management could decide this is a good thing, sign UALPA's letter, and we would have furloughed UAL pilots sitting in our aircraft regardless of what our pilots say. Not to say that would be a bad thing, since there are a number of UAL pilots that are former SkyWest employees, including the head of UALPA's Furlough Commitee.

 

[Doggiepaddle]

There is a difference

The main difference is that U wanted the j4j program to allow U pilots to jump into the seniority list as per the DOH of the employee at U. The UAL proposal states that UAL pilots will be at the bottom of the list. Why would it be voted down? Why would it even be voted upon? you are comparing apples and oranges. I doubt any SKYW pilots will care to even vote on this, as it does not affect them in any way, and as per SKYW, it won't cost them any more for the employee, so why should they care?.....

One wet dog swimming in the pool

 

[Dashcaptain]

The mainline guys that come to the j4j carriers will always be at the bottom of the list for bidding on the jets. They will always be buildup or reserve. That is part of the deal with Airways. However, at Allegheny, it looks like that may never matter anyway. We agreed to the concept and as PSA will start hiring, we are furloughing 30 pilots in October. I would like to thank Dave personally for the treatment. Anyhow, that is how the program is set up on this side. The pilots also get captain's pay once they finish training no matter what seat they are in. That pay is based on years at the express carrier.

 

[bogberto]

Why vote no? Because there are plenty of CFIs out there who deserve a job. They don't have recall rights anywhere.

JMO...

 

[OOramperpilot]

Re: There is a difference

I doubt any SKYW pilots will care to even vote on this, as it does not affect them in any way, and as per SKYW, it won't cost them any more for the employee, so why should they care?.....

One wet dog swimming in the pool

They will care because if you read the letter, they intend to put 60% of their pilots hired by us into our jets. I'm betting that will probably raise the hackles of the guys sitting in the EMB who are waiting to transition into the 200, and the guys sitting in the 200 who are chomping at the bit to get into the 700. It could potentially cause a breach in what we call the "seniority system."

That is why they will care.

 

[Doggiepaddle]

Type of Jobs - At least 60% of the total jobs per carrier must be in the right seat of a jet, the rest can be in any equipment. The jet jobs are not specific to the SJ-70 because the carriers have the same pay rate for 50 and 70 seat jets and will likely operate them as a common fleet type. The jobs will not necessarily be in the carrier’s United Express operation

As per above, any good company like SKYW should not displace their pilots out of, or away from the 700. (Mesa might be a different story). I stand corrected 00 in that I did not read the above carefully enough.

A wet dog in the SKYW pool

 

[the turtle]

Mesa has announced that any furloughed United pilot will be hired and the bottom of Mesa's seniority list, like any new hire FO, and will sit right seat on any equiptment selected by Mesa.

1-877-MESA CEO

 

[utahpilot]

I heard that SkyWest is not requiring those with 121 time to do the sim portion at the interview, is that true? how many are in the pool? site still says 'not accepting pilot applications?'

 

[Doggiepaddle]

Listen closely

Turtle,

After listening to JO's propaganda line, I am hearing that UAL pilots will be hired into the equipment at a ratio of how many jets Mesa will fly for them. Expect to see most of them in the jets as I hear it. It is not just any equipment as you are thinking. But it is all better news especially that they will not jump seniority as U did.

Dog

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

What does it matter if they our hired at the bottom anyway, nobody wants to work here.

 

[bogberto]

Correct me if I'm reading it wrong, but is anyone else interpreting that MAG and SKYW will hire X amount of UAFs for CR7s, not CR2?

Looked like the MEC Memo said any aircraft in excess of 50 seats not to exceed 74.

Do I need more sleep?

-B