Sitting height, etc

[Ragansundowner]

I was just wondering if anyone had a link to the Air Force Pubs that discuss sitting height, butt to knee length, etc. I'm just curious about how my measurements in the FC1 add up.

Thanks,

R.S.

 

[usmc33]

Hey, I had to have a sitting height done on me when I went to fly KC-130s. Get in touch with an AF flight surgeon, he can explain the math for you.

 

[TR4A]

sitting height, butt to knee length, etc

It was 39 inches,sitting height. I am 38 3/4 inches. UPT Class 82-05.

Butt to knee length. Never messured that. It was a problem for the T-33 years ago.

 

[Ragansundowner]

I just got back from my FC1 and the doc there said DQ was anything greater than 40". I was right at 39 3/4 and am concered about the brooks physical later. Anything I should worried about?.....anyone know what AFI on the Air Force Pubs page it would be in?

Thanks,

R.S.

 

[TR4A]

40 inches

See the following:

http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/pubfiles/af/48/afi48-123/afi48-123.pdf

AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 48-123
Aerospace Medicine
MEDICAL EXAMINATIONS AND STANDARDS

Page 52/53
16.17. Substandard Standing & Sitting Height.. See Table 16.2. below.
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FLYING CLASS 1 >77” or <64” >77” or <64” >40” or <34”
FLYING CLASS 1A >77” or <64” >77” or <64” >40” or <33”
FLYING CLASS II >77” or <64” >77” or <64” -
FLYING CLASS II(FLT SG) >77” or <64” >77 or <64” >40” or <33”
FLYING CLASS III >77” or < 64” >77” or <64” -

http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/pubfiles/aetc/36/aetci36-2205/aetci36-2205.pdf

AETCI 36-2205
FORMAL AIRCREW TRAINING ADMINISTRATION AND MANAGEMENT
Page 50, Paragraph 6.5.1

6.5. Pilot Candidate Selection Method (PCSM) and Medical Flight Screening (MFS):
6.5.1. All JSUPT prerequisites apply to IFT, including medical screening and PCSM testing. MFS
will include all tests from the previous enhanced flight screening—medical and anthropometric measurements.
The initial medical exam before a pilot candidate is selected will include standing and sitting
heights. Candidates close to standards (± 1 inch) will accomplish MFS before IFT. MFS for all
candidates must be accomplished before JSUPT.

 

[falcondriver]

I'm curious about the height requirements in the military. I used to fly Falcon 10's. They are pretty small at least on civilian standards. I'm 5' 8" and had no problem flying the plane and my chief pilot was about 6' 6" and also had no problem flying the plane. How important is the size of a pilot in a military aircraft?
Thanks
FD

 

[TR4A]

How important is the size of a pilot in a military aircraft?

Too short can not reach controls properly. 64 inches min

Too tall (sitting) you will be taller than canopy piercing tool on top of ejection seat. If the canopy malfunctions during ejection ( does not come off first) your head will be the piercing tool if you're too tall.

 

[falcondriver]

Thats a good reason to be the right height.
FD

 

[Slye]

I've heard that if you're over the limits then you'll still be allowed to fly if you sign a waiver saying its not their fault if you get messed up during an ejection. Is this true or are you just out of luck if you're too tall?

 

[TR4A]

I've heard that if you're over the limits then you'll still be allowed to fly if you sign a waiver saying its not their fault if you get messed up during an ejection. Is this true or are you just out of luck if you're too tall?

I doubt it. Saw one guy at T-38 Instructor school (just finished pilot training) that they determined he was too tall (sitting). The AF decided to send him to T-43's. The T-43 is the AF B737-200 that trains navigators.

 

[firstthird]

I think the waiver thing might have been about ejection seats/parachutes and weights. They changed some of the maximum weights a while back and I think they grandfathered some people. The physical to watch out for is the first one you get at flight training, the NAMI whami in the navy, basically astronaut physical. If you get past that, usually you'll be okay on stuff like height and whatnot down the road, especially after you get winged. That being said, we used to get a pilot or two a year who had been determined to be "too short to reach the rudder pedals" in a helo, so they came to P-3s. The Navy can be pretty good about finding something for you. I think our big hurdle used to be the A-4, football player types with big shoulders didn't fit all that well in that cockpit.

 

[Toro]

Saw one guy at T-38 Instructor school (just finished pilot training) that they determined he was too tall (sitting). The AF decided to send him to T-43's.

How did he get through UPT - already flying T-38s - to be turned away once he got to PIT? Doesn't sound quite right.