SIC Type Rating 61.55 (d)

[ROSWELL41]

Let me lay out this scenario:
You complete the required 61.55 training in the actual aircraft. Can you submit the documentation of that training and the requisite ground training to the FAA and recieve an SIC type rating? Assume the PIC on the flight is not a CFI but holds an AGI to provide the ground training.

 

[FlaZoomie]

Part 91 or 135?

 

[ROSWELL41]

Part 91

 

[midlifeflyer]

Nothing useful to say

 

[ROSWELL41]

C'mon Mark. I know you're an FAR expert. What do you think about this?

 

[midlifeflyer]

C'mon Mark. I know you're an FAR expert. What do you think about this?

I don't know about the expert part, but I think the answer to your question is "Yes."

The person giving the SIC-specific familiarization training does not have to be a CFI to begin with.

Notice that throughout 61.55(b) and (d) there is not one mention of "authorized instructor." It keeps referring to the "trainer" or the "person who provided the training." This is intentional.

As a regular part of the rulemaking process, a Federal agency publishes the "Final Rule" in a publication called the "Federal Register." It usually includes a bunch of extra text that describes some of the history, the reasons for the rule, and (sometimes) a bit of clarification in English.

In this case, the Final Rule explanatory material says:

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Final § 61.55(d)(1)--The SIC pilot type rating applicant must receive the familiarization training under § 61.55(b) from a qualified pilot in command [See § 61.31(a)] or an authorized flight instructor who holds the aircraft type rating on his/her pilot certificate [See § 61.31(a) and § 61.195(b)]. The ground training under § 61.55(b)(1) may be given by an authorized advanced ground instructor [See § 61.215(b)], authorized flight instructor, or qualified pilot in command.
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BTW, the now-defunct Part 61 FAQ says the same thing - no "authorized instructor" required for the training.

 

[ROSWELL41]

Thanks for reply. I've got a copy of the Federal Register and that is the same conclusion that I came to.

 

[Baja]

§ 61.1 Applicability and definitions.

(2) Authorized instructor means—
(i) A person who holds a valid ground instructor certificate issued under part 61 or part 143 of this chapter when conducting ground training in accordance with the privileges and limitations of his or her ground instructor certificate;
(ii) A person who holds a current flight instructor certificate issued under part 61 of this chapter when conducting ground training or flight training in accordance with the privileges and limitations of his or her flight instructor certificate; or
(iii) A person authorized by the Administrator to provide ground training or flight training under SFAR No. 58, or part 61, 121, 135, or 142 of this chapter when conducting ground training or flight training in accordance with that authority.

§ 61.167 Privileges. (of ATP)

(a) A person who holds an airline transport pilot certificate is entitled to the same privileges as those afforded a person who holds a commercial pilot certificate with an instrument rating.
(b) An airline transport pilot may instruct—
(1) Other pilots in air transportation service in aircraft of the category, class, and type, as applicable, for which the airline transport pilot is rated and endorse the logbook or other training record of the person to whom training has been given;

In this case the holder of an ATP is considered an authorized instructor (even though they dont have a flight instructors certificate) and may give training and all endorsements needed for the SIC type. As long as the instruction is limited to the type for which the ATP is rated they would not need a ground instructors certificate either. As 61.167 states the ATP may "instruct" and does not limit itself to only flight or ground training.