SIC time and friends plane??

[QuasarZ]

So lets say I have a friend that has a Multi engine plane(310). Is it possible for me to ride along in the right seat and throw gear, work radios, flt plan etc and be able to log SIC time and TT? This might be a dumb question but I am not familiar with the whole SIC time and stuff..
thanks

 

[A Squared]

No. you may only log SIC time if you are required to be there by regulation.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

No SIC for you!

No, you cannot log SIC time unless either the airplane is certified to require two pilots or the operation you are doing requires two pilots (such as FAR 121). This is how Scenic Airlines pilots can legally log SIC in a single-pilot Twin Otter.

In a light twin, you could log safety pilot time if you wanted to. One of you guys would fly left seat under the hood while practicing instrument flying in VFR conditions. The other acts as safety pilot and watches for traffic, terrain, etc. Be sure to alternate legs so each guy gets practice flying.
Both pilots may log PIC for the entire duration of the flight, the guy under the hood must note the name of the safety pilot in his logbook for each flight.

 

[nosehair]

In a light twin, you could log safety pilot time if you wanted to.

...and you have a multi rating.

 

[minitour]

One of you guys would fly left seat under the hood while practicing instrument flying in VFR conditions.

Doesn't have to be VFR conditions...just so long as one of you is under the hood, the other acts as PIC (IOW - you will need a multi-instrument rating, all proper endorsements - complex/hp if necessary and need to be "current") you can actually both get PIC time.

OR...if you want, if the other guy (the one under the hood) will agree to act as PIC, you can log it as SIC...but it looks funky. You're required to be there by the simulated instrument reg, but you aren't acting as PIC...but really who logs SIC in 172s and 310s under 91?

-mini

 

[QuasarZ]

yea, i will have my multi. So what about if this person does a check run at night and I ride with him not logging time on the way out (pt 135) but what about the way back, it's an empty leg (pt 91) If I fly that leg could I log it?

 

[A Squared]

yea, i will have my multi. So what about if this person does a check run at night and I ride with him not logging time on the way out (pt 135) but what about the way back, it's an empty leg (pt 91) If I fly that leg could I log it?

Yeah, you could log the time you're the sole manipulator, but then your friend cannot log that time. Is this friend a good enough friend to give away the time, assuming he's trying to build time too? If there was ever some question about what was going on, and an inspector got both your logbooks and compared, and you both were logging PIC at the same time, it would likely be considered falsification.

There was an enforcement case of this nature a while back. The guys who were both taking credit for the same time lost thier certificates.

 

[QuasarZ]

Thanks for the replies. Makes more sense now

 

[FN FAL]

Thanks for the replies. Makes more sense now

Here's another caveat to think about when puffing up those numbers of multi. If you claim you rented or flew a plane anywhere, expect to be asked for fuel reciepts.

This happened to a friend of mine that interviewed for a freight job.

 

[b82rez]

Here's another caveat to think about when puffing up those numbers of multi. If you claim you rented or flew a plane anywhere, expect to be asked for fuel reciepts.

This happened to a friend of mine that interviewed for a freight job.

If you get asked for fuel reciepts during an interview, say "no thanks" and find yourself another job. That's just rediculous