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...and you have a multi rating.Daytonaflyer said:In a light twin, you could log safety pilot time if you wanted to.
Daytonaflyer said:One of you guys would fly left seat under the hood while practicing instrument flying in VFR conditions.
QuasarZ said:yea, i will have my multi. So what about if this person does a check run at night and I ride with him not logging time on the way out (pt 135) but what about the way back, it's an empty leg (pt 91) If I fly that leg could I log it?
QuasarZ said:Thanks for the replies. Makes more sense now
FN FAL said:Here's another caveat to think about when puffing up those numbers of multi. If you claim you rented or flew a plane anywhere, expect to be asked for fuel reciepts.
This happened to a friend of mine that interviewed for a freight job.
minitour said:Doesn't have to be VFR conditions...just so long as one of you is under the hood, the other acts as PIC (IOW - you will need a multi-instrument rating, all proper endorsements - complex/hp if necessary and need to be "current") you can actually both get PIC time.
OR...if you want, if the other guy (the one under the hood) will agree to act as PIC, you can log it as SIC...but it looks funky. You're required to be there by the simulated instrument reg, but you aren't acting as PIC...but really who logs SIC in 172s and 310s under 91?
-mini
If someone is wearing a view limiting device, a safety pilot is required. If the flight is VFR, IFR, VMC, IMC, inverted, on Fridays, during a full moon doesn't matter.Daytonaflyer said:Minitour,
I believe you are incorrect.
Any time logged by a safety pilot must be in VFR conditions. Otherwise it would have to be logged as actual instrument time and could only be logged by the pilot flying. Only the pilot actually controlling the aircraft is allowed to log instrument time, ever. If the right seater was a requirement, then he could log it as total time, but not as actual IFR, SIC, nor as safety pilot. This applies for all FAR 91, 121, and 135 flying operations.
Since only one pilot is required to fly this type of airplane, the safety pilot is not a requirement under IFR and thus not allowed to log any time in IMC conditions. All safety pilot time must be in VFR conditions. Why would you have a safety pilot in IMC conditions? What are they looking out for, clouds?
Again, 91.109(b) states that when the pilot manipulating the controls is wearing a view limiting device, a safety pilot is required.Unfortunately I believe your other paragraph is incorrect also. It is actually illegal to log SIC time in an airplane or operation that is not certified for a second-in-command. You must complete an SIC checkout in order to legally log SIC time. You cannot just log SIC because you "want to". A checkride must be passed.
IE: a pilot flying right seat in a King Air 90 could not log SIC under FAR 91, since he is not required for the operation and the airplane is certified for single pilot operations.
The only way a pilot could log SIC in a Cessna 172 or 310 is if the operation required an SIC and the pilot had received a specific SIC checkout in that type of airplane.
This applies in FAR 91, 121, and 135.
§ 135.85 Carriage of persons without compliance with the passenger-carrying provisions of this part.
The following persons may be carried aboard an aircraft without complying with the passenger-carrying requirements of this part:
(a) A crewmember or other employee of the certificate holder.
(b) A person necessary for the safe handling of animals on the aircraft.
(c) A person necessary for the safe handling of hazardous materials (as defined in subchapter C of title 49 CFR).
(d) A person performing duty as a security or honor guard accompanying a shipment made by or under the authority of the U.S. Government.
(e) A military courier or a military route supervisor carried by a military cargo contract air carrier or commercial operator in operations under a military cargo contract, if that carriage is specifically authorized by the appropriate military service.
(f) An authorized representative of the Administrator conducting an en route inspection.
(g) A person, authorized by the Administrator, who is performing a duty connected with a cargo operation of the certificate holder.
(h) A DOD commercial air carrier evaluator conducting an en route evaluation.
That's what the interviewer said, "Go find yourself another job".b82rez said:If you get asked for fuel receipts during an interview, say "no thanks" and find yourself another job. That's just ridiculous
QuasarZ said:ok.. how about this.. lets say this person is a MEI and I fly the empy leg back? Then could we both log it?
FN FAL said:That's what the interviewer said, "Go find yourself another job".
I knew the guy that happened to. He was my partner in a twin engine plane and he showed up at Freight Runners door with 400 or more hours in receipt twins that he logged over a year and a quarter or so. He claimed the hours were those that he flew with family members to do family things and other acts of human kindness and generosity, the philanthropist.
The owner of Freight Runners told my partner that he was either flying "illegal charter" or was lying and told him the interview was over unless he could come up with fuel receipts to cover the trips.
A Squared said:Yeah, but If I correctly recall your stories about your former parther, I would guess that there were some other things about the guy that didin't add up the to the owner. I seem to recall that your partner was pretty much a dirtbag, or maybe I'm confusing your stories?