SIC or PIC

[pa31capt]

I know this has been asked before but I can't seem to find it, in a turbo commander, single pilot a/c, but insurance requires 2 pilots do both pilots log as PIC or does one log SIC. How can the SIC be justified on later job interviews? Thanks

 

[pilotyip]

Are you going to get normal; training with a certificate of completion? Are you going to swap legs? If so, then tell them in future interviews you were a co-capt and split legs for PIC time. Do not log SIC, it is a red flag in a 91 operation that does not require a SIC by regulation.

 

[midlifeflyer]

From an FAA logging standpoint, only the sole manipulator of the controls gets to log anything in your scenario, unless you come under another regulation, such as the Part 135 regulation that requires an SIC for carrying passengers under IFR or the Part 91 safety pilot reg.

As always, the answer to the FAA logging question starts with 61.51.

61.51(e)(1)(iii) allows a non-sole manipulator to log PIC when "acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted."

61.51(f) gives you the answer for SIC.

61.51(f)(2) allows SIC time to be logged when "more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted."

Despite their power, so far anyway, insurance dictates are not "regulations under which the flight is being conducted."

That's FAA.

Whether it's worthwhile logging it separately from official FAA SIC time because it might be valuable as experience on a job application, I'll leave to others.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

How can the SIC be justified on later job interviews? Thanks

If the aircraft doesn't require more than one pilot as per the FAA; you can only log flight time if you're the sole manipulator of the flight controls.

TA

 

[FlaZoomie]

What about just logging it as multi and total time (flight) but not PIC or SIC?

 

[time builder]

If you're under part 135, check your ops specs. In many cases an SIC can be justified in the ops specs for lowered wx mins, hazmat carriage, and increasing the pilot workday from 8 to 10 hours under part 135 2 person crew regs. If you're under part 91, dunno, you might just play it safe only logging your legs.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Yup best thing to do is get the company to designate you a "co-captain" then you can log your legs (PF) as PIC. You don't get to log anything for your PNF legs. Otherwise it's a good learning experience but useless for logging purposes.

 

[midlifeflyer]

What about just logging it as multi and total time (flight) but not PIC or SIC?

Nope. I don't think so. The problem is that the FAR defines "flight time" in a way that requires that you be either required crew or giving or receiving instruction. (See "flight time" in FAR 1.1 and "pilot time" in FAR 61.1). So that non-required SIC doesn't fit.

From reading some old FAA Legal opinions, apparently there was once a general "flight time" logging category where non-required SIC would have fit, but it went away.

 

[pilotyip]

If you log SIC in an airplane that doesn't require a SIC, you may well find problems when interviewing for a future job. The people screening your log books will know the difference.

 

[Snakum]

No horse too dead to beat. :smash: