Ship 701 to Skywest

[AuburnRedneck9]

According to the Chief Pilots in Salt Lake ship 701 is now in posession of Skywest Airlines. Furthermore they claim that they didn't want to lose the aircraft, additionally they claim that this does not constitute the company taking economic self help means against our pilot group. If this is true than the entire dynamic of the negotiating process has changed and our quality of life (what little we had) is about to change in a negative way.

 

[atrdriver]

According to the Chief Pilots in Salt Lake ship 701 is now in posession of Skywest Airlines. Furthermore they claim that they didn't want to lose the aircraft, additionally they claim that this does not constitute the company taking economic self help means against our pilot group. If this is true than the entire dynamic of the negotiating process has changed and our quality of life (what little we had) is about to change in a negative way.

And yet, it may very well be considered economic self help by the company. While it is true that there is no language in our contract to prohibit this, if you remember Tutts letter of doom, he specifically intoned that if we didn't agree to the companies proposal that airplanes would be transferred. Since he made that threat, and then they actually transferred one, it may well be found that this is indeed self help by the company. I guess we will find out.

 

[AuburnRedneck9]

And yet, it may very well be considered economic self help by the company. While it is true that there is no language in our contract to prohibit this, if you remember Tutts letter of doom, he specifically intoned that if we didn't agree to the companies proposal that airplanes would be transferred. Since he made that threat, and then they actually transferred one, it may well be found that this is indeed self help by the company. I guess we will find out.

It's less to do with our contract and more to do with the RLA, the company cannot economically punish us nor can the labor group do the same to the company when we are in section six negotiations.

 

[atrdriver]

It's less to do with our contract and more to do with the RLA, the company cannot economically punish us nor can the labor group do the same to the company when we are in section six negotiations.

My point is, they are not violating our contract by transferring airplanes. But, since Tutt threatened to do this if we didn't sign a new contract, it could very well hold up in court that they are engaging in self help.

 

[AuburnRedneck9]

My point is, they are not violating our contract by transferring airplanes. But, since Tutt threatened to do this if we didn't sign a new contract, it could very well hold up in court that they are engaging in self help.

I misunderstood you and I agree with you 100%, this could be what we need to get released and get the show on the road. Time to stop playing games and get serious.

 

[sweptback]

I misunderstood you and I agree with you 100%, this could be what we need to get released and get the show on the road. Time to stop playing games and get serious.

The union lawyers have been all over this, but they had to actually wait for the company to make a move before they could do anything.

I expect an all-out blitz from ALPA to get released. Enough is enough.

 

[CF34-3B1]

Best of luck guys, hang tough.

-Ex ASAer

 

[AsaLossPaywAlpa]

The union lawyers have been all over this, but they had to actually wait for the company to make a move before they could do anything.

I expect an all-out blitz from ALPA to get released. Enough is enough.

alpa ? what can they do .....

if they can do something why is it 4yrs later...

 

[atrdriver]

alpa ? what can they do .....

if they can do something why is it 4yrs later...

Yeah idiot, because the union CNC doesn't REALLY meet with anyone, they just go into an empty room and talk amongst themselves. You know, or actually you probably don't, our CNC had been ready for EVERY negotiation session that they have attended. The company negotiators can't say that.

 

[AsaLossPaywAlpa]

Yeah idiot, because the union CNC doesn't REALLY meet with anyone, they just go into an empty room and talk amongst themselves. You know, or actually you probably don't, our CNC had been ready for EVERY negotiation session that they have attended. The company negotiators can't say that.

Whats all the verbage about still does not say what alpa can do?

I know it along with everyone else that thinks for themself!


NOTHING.(period)

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Whats all the verbage about still does not say what alpa can do?

I know it along with everyone else that thinks for themself!


NOTHING.(period)

You sure could use an ESL class or two.

 

[scott hall]

I am looking for a new job, i suggest you do the same.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Damn my plastic model airplane of ship N701EV has "by ASA", I guess I'll have to send it to New Iberia, LA to get a new paint job!!! argh!

 

[av8er2]

Look for a new job. This is going to get good.

 

[MoroniMetro]

I really hope the union is in check with all of this, I talked to a p2p and they gave me a blurred interpretation of what the "union" will do about this. Each time I talk to a p2p they say "this is right where we want them". If this is not a slap in the face, I don't know what else it will take for us to wake up. We "asa" are offically being incrementally downsized. Obviously, mainline Delta has been in this situation for the last 5-7 years. How do they tolerate even getting on the same employee bus? Whether it's 105 F or -40C I walk just to keep my sanity.

 

[AsaLossPaywAlpa]

You sure could use an ESL class or two.

What 2nd languge?

 

[johnsonrod]

I feel for you guys. Can anyone say WHIPSAW? I wish you luck!

 

[MECH]

This is were status quo is a good thing. The RLA forces both parties to mantain the status quo during negotiations. If the company is moving a/c to Skywest, it will give ALPA alot of strength with the NMB and the chance of a law suit.

 

[AuburnRedneck9]

This is were status quo is a good thing. The RLA forces both parties to mantain the status quo during negotiations. If the company is moving a/c to Skywest, it will give ALPA alot of strength with the NMB and the chance of a law suit.

If 701EV leaving our fleet is now a matter of factual record, then it is time for our union to take some definitive action, immediately. I am a union supporter for the most part but they, along with our pilot group have been too passive in this four year struggle. If, in fact the airplane transfers have started, then it is time to act. Four years of us sitting around, doing a little picketing etc just isn't cutting it. We all need to get on the phone, call our union and demand action, up to and including asking ALPA legal to deal with the issue of self help in front of the NMB which could trigger a release or at a minimum severe sanctions against the company. These games need to end, the Skywest pilot ground lacks the tenacity to make it happen so it is up to us. We have two choices, either meet this test or we continue on our present course and fold our hand.

 

[outtahere]

I took a class on Aviation Legislation, and there was something in there regarding union busting in regards to Frank Lorenzo, you know Jerrys dad. After he sold off all of Easterns assets to Texas Air the RLA was ammended to prevent this sort of thing in the future. It makes you wonder if this fits the same porfile?

 

[cosmotheassman]

When the hell are you guys going to strike? No contract for 4 years and you still can't strike? WTF? What is the point of a union if your balls are cut?

 

[AuburnRedneck9]

When the hell are you guys going to strike? No contract for 4 years and you still can't strike? WTF? What is the point of a union if your balls are cut?

Well sir I suggest that you take a few hours out of your Internet time and read up on the RLA and what it takes to be released to seek economic self help, then perhaps you can answer your own questions. As for the four years yes it is to long and no we should not be tolerating as much as we are. Things need to take a turn and we need to get serious about this

 

[Tomct]

:angryfireWe NEED to get things rolling....NOW! ALPA NEEDS to take action NOW!! I say we WALK and let JA and the rest of the idiots "FREAK" with all 160 plus airplanes sitting! Bet they would settle our contract within HOURS! Make it happen ALPA!

 

[MELIT]

:angryfireWe NEED to get things rolling....NOW! ALPA NEEDS to take action NOW!! I say we WALK and let JA and the rest of the idiots "FREAK" with all 160 plus airplanes sitting! Bet they would settle our contract within HOURS! Make it happen ALPA!

Yea that worked for Comair.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I'm betting that our reps will tell us that ALPA Legal in Washington advised them this is NOT an RLA violation and that we have no legal grounds to fight this in court. ALPA Legal is notoriously conservative, and they surely aren't going to hang their necks out for a bunch of regional pukes.

Our current contract permits this transfer. Sad but true. ~~~^~~~ was right about one thing in that we need scope.

 

[amcnd]

Eagle's contract did not permit the transfer of 10 EMB's to TSA but the company did it anyway, and they won!! Alpa got us nothing!!

 

[Turkey Shoot]

It sucks that this is happening, but why should a company keep an additional base open at the same place there is a larger group of pilots from the same holding company? It makes no fiscal sense at all to NOT do this. It is flying for the same customer. If SkyWest didn't have a base in SLC, the flying would have remained with ASA.

I really don't see this as a true whipsaw action even though both the company and ALPA have construed it that way. This appears to me to be a simple move that makes financial sense to the parent company while using it as a weapon in contract talks. The pilot union sees it as a move to whipsaw the pilot group in turn using this to whip support for their contract talks.

Simple business move that both sides are using to their full advantage.

 

[No Delay]

I agree with Turkey.

I think we all knew this was coming. It does makes since.


However, I do think we need to hurry up with this contract thing. We definately need scope or some type of protection.

Remember, if you feel sick...call in. If you feel tired...call in. If you need fuel...sit there and wait. If you need catering...sit there and wait.

 

["GO AROUND"]

:angryfireWe NEED to get things rolling....NOW! ALPA NEEDS to take action NOW!! I say we WALK and let JA and the rest of the idiots "FREAK" with all 160 plus airplanes sitting! Bet they would settle our contract within HOURS! Make it happen ALPA!

That would be 159 now Tomct.

 

[goahead]

I pay alpa to prevent things like this and they are letting all of us down.