SE or ME ATP. Does it matter?

[upndsky]

I know this probably belongs in the General board, but this is the only board I read, so...

I plan on getting my ATP to look more competitive on my resume. I can borrow my friend's C-182 or rent a Seminole from the flight school where I used to teach. Preferably I'd like to do it in the twin, but it'll be much more expensive. When airline recruiters look at a resume, does it matter if the ATP is SE or ME? If it doesn't, I'd do it in the C-182 and save myself a few hundred bucks.

Thanks in advance.

 

[pilot1704]

ATP do multi fly multi

If you do it single-engine you can also use priviledges of ATP while flying single-engine airplanes like caravan etc.

SO do multi-engine ATP and you are head of the came!

 

[Conquest Driver]

ATP

You definetly want a ME ATP. A SE ATP is pretty much worthless. The airline recruiters will know if your ATP is SE because in the interview they get copies of your license and medical. This is one thing you don't want to get cheap about. A ME ATP is required for most jobs that require an ATP


Just my .02 cents.



CD

 

[belchfire]

upndsky

Do you have your ATP written passed?
Some carriers (corpex for instance)
just require the written, and you get
the ATP ride when you type...don't know
how much difference having the rating
will make, but if you can let the airline
pay for it you can save a bunch of cash!


Is there any way you can get the
recomendation for the ride and use
one of your employers twins? just
trying to save you a buck...

But definitely get the written out of the
way...

good luck!

 

[saabdude]

I flew charter prior to my airline experience. I used an arrow to get an ATP SEL just to get rid of my written exam. About 5 months later I added my ATP MEL in a Baron. I did both because I didn't want a limitation put on my license. example
ATP MEL
Commercial priveleges SEL

The primary reason was to get rid of the written and I was flying with the feds anyway on charter checkrides.

If I were you I would get both. It will show on your resume that you went the extra effort to get another rating. It is quite worthless to fly single engine as an ATP but if showed that I had the initiative and drive to do it. Good luck

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

You want the MEL ATP. Some airlines require this, for others it will be better than the written, and for others you need lower flight times with the actual MEL ATP.

The SE doesn't count for much of anything.

Note: Just because you have an ATP MEL, does NOT mean you can do ATP SE stuff. If you don't have a SEL commercial, you'll have to get a SE add-on to that or to your ATP MEL to fly a SE in commercial use, such as skydiving, or instructing.

Do the MEL thing.

Cliff
SHV

 

[LearLove]

Like everyone else is saying the Multi ATP is ideal. Saabdude has a good point though, If your short on cash and your written is about to expire, get the SEL ATP to save $$ and the wriiten. Then when you get some extra $$$ (like thats gonna happen at this level) go get the MEL ATP. In this job market I'd highly recommend the MEL ATP if you have the quals. It also makes upgrade easier when it comes along.

Hope it helps, good luck

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Unless your employer is going to pay for your ATP VERY soon, just go get it.

At 2200 hrs you should defintely have it!

Yes, we all know its a worthless license (SE or ME) but others who interview with you will have it. Dont stick out as the "commercial pilot"

You have spent a fortune on other ratings - this is the last one - and its easy and cheap.

just an opinion ---

 

[pilotyip]

Point to think about

In order to not have to take the written again, I took the SEL ATP, the ride was 45 minutes with a fed, the easiest ride I ever took, for an inst rated pilot it is a not event. Grumman Tiger, fixed gear, fixed prop, no cowl flaps, 3 approaches, a hold, a miss and a forced landing. The MEL ATP is much more difficult, SE apps, SE misses, alt gear extension, etc. much more expensive and the MEL ATP without a type is only required in an airplane under 12,500 with more than 10 seats or in scheduled air carrier service, so it is really not much use in getting you a job. With SEL ATP, you can be honest and put ATP on your resume, and I would believe that would be much more impressive than stating you have an ATP written with a score of 96. I worked for two 121 air carriers with a SEL ATP, Comm MEL, Inst. But there is a picking order on this board, that unless you did it the way I did you are not really a pilot and we all know that is BS.

 

[VADriver]

I've got a SE ATP (as well as ME)

A SE ATP is like confederate money....

It's cool to pull it out and show your friends, but its absolutely worthless...

Did I mention it is cool? Nothing like excercising ATP privlidges while flying a J-3 Cub.

Do the ATP SE with the Feds so you don't have to pay a DE fee.

If you want to be a pro pilot get the ME ATP.

 

[Bluewanabe]

upndsky,

Sounds like you are flying freight now. Is this in a twin? Part-135? Do you do your PIC check with a DE or FAA?
If FAA:
Just bring your application for ATPMEL to your next PIC check and tell the inspector you want your ATP. At a part-135 you are already flying at ATP standards. If your company agrees, this will cost you $0 and you don't have to take an extra check-ride.

Hope this helps. Good Luck!!

Blue

 

[upndsky]

We fly both singles and twins. We have a couple of company check airmen who give our initial and recurrent rides. We've been around so long the FAA doesn't come by too often anymore. A former check airman tried to get DE status to give ATP checkrides for us but the FSDO was giving him a hard time about it. He eventually moved on.

I know that the SE ATP is useless from a practical standpoint. By the same token, so is the ME ATP at this point in my career. The equipment we fly doesn't require an ATP and my next job will probably be at a regional as an FO. The main reason I want to get an ATP (SE or ME) right now is to put it on a resume and hopefully give me a leg up over the "competition." The question is whether a recruiter puts any stock in the ATP and if so, if it was SE or ME.

Still, I'd prefer the ME and will probably go that way. It's just cheaper to go the SE route since I have free access to the plane. And no, the company won't let us use a twin for the checkride. I wish they would.

 

[skylane58]

The check airman could probly get a letter to do your ATP ride at your next recurent. The Feds will probly want to ride along though. This wouldn't cost you or the company a dime. It might be worth looking into.

 

[sstearns2]

...

The proper question to ask may be why do we even have the ATP rating. The rating is just a box checked on the 8710 for our type ride and we have to goto AllATPs and pay $300 to get the written passed without wasting a month preparing on your own.

Humor me, imagine if we just dropped the ATP rating and gave anyone that had the 1500 hours, etc, the privilages of the current ATP rating. All the ATP really lets you do it act as PIC under part 121. The amount of company schooling a pilot has to go through to get there is far beyond the requirements for the ATP.

The really sad thing is that the system forces the pilots who are trying to move into part 121 to spend thousands of dollars, that most don't have, on a rating that is useless to them in order to be 'competitive'.

Scott