Salary Question

[Duderino]

What do you guys think is Industry Standard for this type of position?

GIV, Entry level, in the south central working for a Fortune 300 company. I have 4000TT, 400 hours in the GIV, and am typed. I would be moving for the job and don't need any type of training to start.

What should I expect to make down the road?

What kind of stock options are out there?

What kind of benny's were y'all offered?

What should a junior captain be making?

I am very interested in the position, I just want to know what to expect, or ask for. The figures I have seen from the NBAA surveys seem low, and the same with other charts I have read. I was thinking that starting should be around 80k plus benifits. I am making 70K plus around 10K in per deim and cell phone, and health, working for a Part 135 company.

Please help if you can, and please be honest. I appreciate it.

Duder

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

What do you guys think is Industry Standard for this type of position?

GIV, Entry level, in the south central working for a Fortune 300 company. I have 4000TT, 400 hours in the GIV, and am typed. I would be moving for the job and don't need any type of training to start.

What should I expect to make down the road?

What kind of stock options are out there?

What kind of benny's were y'all offered?

What should a junior captain be making?

I am very interested in the position, I just want to know what to expect, or ask for. The figures I have seen from the NBAA surveys seem low, and the same with other charts I have read. I was thinking that starting should be around 80k plus benifits. I am making 70K plus around 10K in per deim and cell phone, and health, working for a Part 135 company.

Please help if you can, and please be honest. I appreciate it.

Duder

Dude,

I've watched your posts for a while now. It looks like you jump around a bit. You might think about staying loyal to one place while you build up some real total time. No offense intended, just an observation.

Ace

 

[semperfido]

What should I expect to make down the road?
Duder

That depends on a lot of things. Like your companys compensation philosophy. Like how successful you are in managing your position. Internal equity. growth potential.

What kind of stock options are out there?

Again that is determined by the companys compensation philosophy. It is something you will have little or no control over. It varies widely from company to company.

What kind of benny's were y'all offered?

you will probably get what other pilots in the organization get. However, you may be able to negotiate moving expenses, starting pay, annual bonus.

What should a junior captain be making?

Think in terms of a range you would be willing to accept. Seems like 75-85 was about right. They will look at your salary history. You probably can't expect too much more than a 10K bump.

I was thinking that starting should be around 80k plus benifits.
Duder

seems about right.

 

[Duderino]

No offense intended? That is the second time you have made a douche nozzle comment and told me "no offense intended". I have been at the same place since October. It is charter work. Before I flew the GIV I flew Lears at the same place for 2 years. I am looking for a Corporate job and trying to get out of the shotty 135 market. Why don't you go beat your dog up or whatever it is you do in your free time "Ace".

Real total time, you are hilarious man.

 

[Duderino]

Thanks SemperFido, I appreciate the help. Seems like it is always contingent on the company. I am just concerned what to do if they offer me less than I am making now.

Oh, and Ace, I'd like to see what you look like in person. You seem a little lippy behind your computer. I bet the image I have of you would be right on.

 

[2000flyer]

Thanks SemperFido, I appreciate the help. Seems like it is always contingent on the company. I am just concerned what to do if they offer me less than I am making now.

Oh, and Ace, I'd like to see what you look like in person. You seem a little lippy behind your computer. I bet the image I have of you would be right on.

Dude,

You have to compare apples to apples. What is the cost of living compared to your current locale? Making $70 in, say, Oklahoma is a whole lot different that $70 in southern California. (check out http://www.homefair.com/homefair/calc/salcalc.html for cost of living comparisons)

Which job offers more stability and better QOL? Sure, they may pay more but that won't make much of a difference if they go out of business in a year.

Remember, in aviation, someone's grass is always greener. You just may end up going through a lotta' s**t to get there!

Good luck,

2000Flyer

 

[English]

What do you guys think is Industry Standard for this type of position?

GIV, Entry level, in the south central working for a Fortune 300 company. I have 4000TT, 400 hours in the GIV, and am typed. I would be moving for the job and don't need any type of training to start.

What should I expect to make down the road?

What kind of stock options are out there?

What kind of benny's were y'all offered?

What should a junior captain be making?

I am very interested in the position, I just want to know what to expect, or ask for. The figures I have seen from the NBAA surveys seem low, and the same with other charts I have read. I was thinking that starting should be around 80k plus benifits. I am making 70K plus around 10K in per deim and cell phone, and health, working for a Part 135 company.

Please help if you can, and please be honest. I appreciate it.

Duder

80K seems really low to me for a junior GIV captain at a Fortune 300 captain.

Junior 135 GIII captains make more than that.

 

[HMR]

80K sounds real low. Here on the West Coast, a junior GIV captain flying PT91 for a company nowhere near F300 level is making the following:

Base Salary: 100K
Good 401K (I don't know the exact details)
No stock options because the co. isn't public.
Excellent insurance (that's a given).
Unlimited per-diem (another given for PT.91 ops in this area)
Year-end bonus of at least 10%.
Avg. 20hrs per month, 5 RON's.

This is just one example. Again, this is a junior captain. The senior guys are making a lot more.

FWIW-The captain in this example has less TT time than you.

Good Luck.

 

[Duderino]

I obviously didn't make my self clear. I would be starting as an entry level first officer, not a junior captain. I just wanted to see how much the jump is in pay once you make Captain. Thanks for the help anyways. The cost of living is comparable to where I am at now. I think they will offer me what I am making now, I just some how expected it to be more is all.

 

[flyu27]

What are typical per diem amounts for operators based in the Northeast for turboprop/light jet operators?

 

[ultrarunner]

Thanks SemperFido, I appreciate the help. Seems like it is always contingent on the company. I am just concerned what to do if they offer me less than I am making now.

Dude, it 'aint about the number...

here's my philosophy...

It ain't about what you're flying, it's about who you're flying it for.

It's all about company philosophy, so if you're simply hung-up on the number, you may or may not be dissappointed.

You need WAY more info on this potentially new gig than you have at this point.

Got to the interiew and get interviewed, and interview them.

And remember, you can't turn down what's not offered. Feel lucky if you even get an offer....

 

[Duderino]

Ultra,

You are right. I hope I don't seem hung up on numbers. I felt so comfortable during the two interviews I already had, and really like the people that I have met there. The outfit is first class, and I really hope they offer me the job. Money isn't the main reason I would be taking this job, security, and happiness are. It seems as though there is going to be a time in the near future where all of these things are going to be discussed, and I just want to prepare myself.

duderino

 

[Duderino]

The per diem I am making in South Florida at a 135 company is 75 USA including Canada and Bahamas, and 100 a day everywhere else. I think these numbers are high. I have friends making 45 a day, and used to get 50 a day flying Lears.

 

[semperfido]

I obviously didn't make my self clear. I would be starting as an entry level first officer, not a junior captain. I just wanted to see how much the jump is in pay once you make Captain. Thanks for the help anyways. The cost of living is comparable to where I am at now. I think they will offer me what I am making now, I just some how expected it to be more is all.

there is no reason you couldn't ask them what you can expect the future to be like. i would ask them the range of their capt salaries. you probably won't be able to pin them down to exact numbers but you will be able to get an idea of the range. As i said before, companies ususlly look at a salary history and factor that in. Unlikely they wouldn't take a FO making 70 and make him a Cap getting 100. So the responses that quote these higher rates need to be taken with a grain of salt.

i agree with ultra as well

 

[flyu27]

Duderino -- that's what I thought was about the norm. We are different I guess - we don't get "per diem" but we get reimbursed in arrears the following maximums: $5 for breakfast, $5 for lunch, and $10 for dinner, depending on what meal period your duty falls during. Strange huh?

 

[Brett Hull]

Holy jeez! I thought my old boss was a cheap b@stard!

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Oh, and Ace, I'd like to see what you look like in person. You seem a little lippy behind your computer. I bet the image I have of you would be right on.

You should spend more time visualizing someone else, not some old pilot fart like me. Really Dude, get a grip.

Ace

 

[Otter]

Ugh

5,5 & 10....HOLY CR@P man, I have never worked at a 135 gig that did that poorly, let alone 91. The worst I have ever seen was a dollar an hour away from base (135 outfit)...20 bucks for an entire day, you must have the skinniest pilots around....ugh. I am a big fan of the expense account, no set limits, just use common sense.

Do they sell good BBQ for 5 bucks?

 

[flyu27]

Well we used to have the expense account with company credit cards for most of the full-timers, but then the company thought we were cheating them and went to the new system. And, or cellphones went from 100% company paid to $40 flat rate per month. All done while the company expanded leaps and bounds.

 

[G100driver]

Now the company is cheating you. What a bunch of $hitheads. Hurry up and get your time and quit!