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GogglesPisano

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Pinnacle CEO calls for end of scope clauses
Dateline: Wednesday March 24, 2004

Pinnacle Airlines CEO Phil Trenary called for major reform of the so-called scope clauses that limit the contract flying of regional aircraft by partners of Major airlines, saying they stand in the way of an airline's choosing the right-size aircraft for the marketplace.

"Scope hurts both Regionals and Majors," Trenary said in Washington yesterday. "Scope helps no one." In wide-ranging remarks, he also objected to the opinion expressed by some that regional jets are crowding the nation's skies and airports. He pointed out that RJs have allowed Majors to expand into new markets that otherwise would receive no air service and to add frequencies in existing markets.
Trenary suggested that Regionals will play an even greater role as network carriers continue to evolve. "We should thank God for the Regional airlines and what they have done for the industry."

Additionally, he said the hub-and-spoke system is alive and well despite the rise in low-cost carriers that provide point-to-point service in the US, and Majors continue to play a significant role. "It's the most efficient way to distribute seats, so the network carriers will be around a long time," he said. But pre-2002 yields will not return, so legacy airlines must work to bring their costs in line with LCCs such as Southwest Airlines and JetBlue and to improve employee productivity, he added.

Pinnacle, formerly known as Express Airlines I, is an Airlink partner of Northwest Airlines and operates a fleet of some 80 CRJs.--Sandra Arnoult
 
That guy is so ƒucking stupid. He is a walking embarrassment.
 
You shall all bow before the mighty RJ!!!!

And you shall all cometh to my house and wash my car....and my clothes....and maybe some dishes, but we'll play that one by ear.

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Yeah, RJs have increased CASMs for their Major owners, clog-up air traffic into already congested airports like EWR, and are extremely uncomfortable for passengers on long (+2 hours) flights...

THANK GOD for RJs!!!!!!!
 
Man, I wish I could have flown the B1. What a plane. I saw a show on the Discovery channel about it. I had this hot blonde chick who was the captain. WWOOOHHHOOOO! That b1tch was fine!!!

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"We should thank God for the Regional airlines and what they have done for the industry."
Thats a little over the top. Scope, sorry Major guys, ya blew it in the 90's when ya didn't insist that all jets be flown by the major carrier. Whatever happens to aircraft size scope clauses is irrelevant now, the damage has already been done.
 
Mr Hat said:
Scope, sorry Major guys, ya blew it in the 90's when ya didn't insist that all jets be flown by the major carrier. Whatever happens to aircraft size scope clauses is irrelevant now, the damage has already been done.

I would say that's a little inaccurate. Most mainline pilots will admit that not insisting on all jet flying be kept in-house was a huge mistake, but that doesn't mean the fight is over or unwinnable.

The best thing that can be done here in the NWA family is for mainline pilots to hold firm on their 70 seat RJ restriction. Fuel costs are going to get expensive for the DC-9's, but they're paid off so it should even out. If they give in to 70 or especially 90 seat RJ's, the DC-9's will disappear and with it their jobs, so there's still much at stake.

As much as Trenary hates scope, he's gonna really hate it when WE ram it down his throat so he can't pull a "Mesa" on us... :D
 
Mr Hat said:
Thats a little over the top. Scope, sorry Major guys, ya blew it in the 90's when ya didn't insist that all jets be flown by the major carrier. Whatever happens to aircraft size scope clauses is irrelevant now, the damage has already been done.

AA pilots did insist on the RJ flying. They struck and Clinton ordered the union back to work after 17 minutes.
 
PINNACLE cities

Can someone provide a link that shows or lists the cities that Pinnacle serves? I would like to see where they fly since the company website doesn't provide this information.
 
Can someone provide a link that shows or lists the cities that Pinnacle serves? I would like to see where they fly since the company website doesn't provide this information.


Just go to the Mesaba website. With the exception of a few cities, we basically overlap each other.:rolleyes:
 
80drvr said:
AA pilots did insist on the RJ flying. They struck and Clinton ordered the union back to work after 17 minutes.

Wasn't Clinton a pro-labor democratic?

sorry, just being a smart a$$. Carry on.

enigma
 
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enigma said:
Wasn't Clinton a pro-labor democratic?


Yes that's correct.

ALPA endorsed Clinton.

American pilots are not in ALPA.

ALPA has be trying to get APA back in the union for years.

One of ALPA's selling points is the political pull they possess.

Discuss...
 
I can't believe that anyone even listens to a word that comes out of Trenary's mouth. He's so out of touch with reality that he might as well run for president! And don't confront him with reality because he might just have a heart attack......again.
 
It's funny that he hasn't been to a single pilot meeting since then... :D

Would be fun to sick the Burke brothers on him again... maybe I could be there to enjoy the festivities this time - missed it the first time.
 
"Scope hurts both Regionals and Majors," Trenary said

Yea, scope would be a nice thing to get rid of and just have all the flying done by NWA pilots. That way, NWA would not have to guarantee profits for regional airlines by paying a fee for departure, providing all their assets, paying for fuel and landing fees. Just to name a few of the costs Pinnacle doesn't have to pay.
 
Pinnacle pays for all landing fees.

Pinnacle pays for their own fuel, but at NWA's cost.

Pinnacle pays for all other assets than the aircraft itself.

NWA pays a flat fee for the aircraft's operation, regardless of how many seats are filled, but it's the job of NW and their reservations agents to fill those seats. That's how NW makes money off of the deal. It's up to Pinnacle to make money on the fee per departure that NW pays.

Everything else you said about scope is basically true. We'd like nothing more than for NW to operate all their own RJ flying - would mean that we'd all get to a mainline job that much sooner...
 
Lear70 said:
It's funny that he hasn't been to a single pilot meeting since then... :D

Would be fun to sick the Burke brothers on him again... maybe I could be there to enjoy the festivities this time - missed it the first time.

That meeting made 2003 worthwhile for me! :D Nothing beats a overpaid CEO eating some crow infront of 30 blood thirsty DTW pilots....
 
Lear70 said:
Pinnacle pays for all landing fees.

Pinnacle pays for their own fuel, but at NWA's cost.

Pinnacle pays for all other assets than the aircraft itself.

NWA pays a flat fee for the aircraft's operation, regardless of how many seats are filled, but it's the job of NW and their reservations agents to fill those seats. That's how NW makes money off of the deal. It's up to Pinnacle to make money on the fee per departure that NW pays.


Pinnacle may pay for their own fuel and landing fees, but, I would venture to say they get reimbursed for that cost. Yes, they probably do provide some of their assets (ie. tugs, office space, computers, etc). From the NWA 10K "The regional carriers are paid based on operations for certain expenses and receive reimbursement for other expenses."

You are correct in the fact that it is up to Pinnacle to make money on the fee per departure that NW pays. Out of curiosity, what would you guess the annual expenses were for the airline last year (minus aircraft leases)? I can't find it since it just recently went public.
 

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