RJ Payscales

[bpalme]

RJ pay

What about the guys that are flying them right now?
Hope it's not like the proposal that APA made to take our jobs at Eagle.
By the way pay at Eagle is of course less than the others.

 

[abe44]

Just want to set the record straight.....

Usair pilots and their MEC had nothing to do with RJ's going to Mesa....I'm talking at the beginning now (early 1997). The fact is....and I know you all will correct me if I'm wrong....Mesa was one of the only people who had these jets at the time....not only did they have them, they had delivery slots and options on many more. Usair mgmt had no choice....if they wanted RJ's flying Usair pax, their only option at the time was Mesa.

As for the current situation....I don't know much about it. Is Usair buying these new planes or using Mesa jets?? I think some of you guys think that the USair MEC is somehow screwing all regional pilots and I see it as an MEC that's doing its job and trying to ensure jobs for its members. Maybe the finger should be pointed at your own MEC....to the PDT, ALG and PSA guys on this board: What have the mainline pilots done that have kept you out of the RJ game?? more importantly, what has your OWN MEC done that has gotten jets on your property? These are serious questions...I'm not flaming here, just curious.

FWIW I have no dogs in this fight....I did work for Mesa at one time but am not currently employed by any Usair carrier or regional.


Abe44

 

[abe44]

FR8mastr.....

Not sure who your post was directed toward, but since you quoted mine, here goes....if you'll reread my post, I said that I don't work for Usair. So MY MEC hasn't screwed you in any way...

Here's the way I see it from the outside: Your company (Usair) doesn't want to own RJ's....they know they need them so they hook up with someone who has them (Mesa) and of course they use Mesa pilots to crew them. You get pissed because you don't get you hands on that hot little jet....you need someone to blame...so you direct your anger at Usair mainline pilots and THEIR MEC.

To quote another part of your post "Your scope language, since you obviously have no clue, allowed for 35 RJ's You then gave them (mesa) 35 more," ....Why didn't YOUR MEC negotiate to fly these aircraft?? And more importantly, what specific part of the Usair mailine contract prohibits ALG, PSA or PDT from flying these jets??? Maybe there is something in their contract that prohibits this, but I seriously doubt it.

To take it further...what does YOUR scope clause say about non-Usair owned regionals flying YOUR routes.....

To sum it up...if you want to fly jets, send your resume to someone who has them...OR, negotiate for them when your contract comes due!!

Abe44

 

[FR8mastr]

abe44, As far as US Air not wanting to buy them you are correct, they would much rather have "joe's Airline" pay for them. As for the "hot little jets" I could give a rats ass! I'm concerned about having a job in 2 years, if all other companies are allowed to operate these aircraft, the wholly owned prop drivers are going to be walking the unemployment line, just as fast as our lines can be replaced. Our MEC is not allowed to negotiate with mainline management, we can only negotiate with our management. Our management is totally inept. They have absolutely no power over anything. They can't decide routes schedules , equipment not even the size of the fleet. All decisions concerning the 4 wholly owned companies of USAIR Group come directly from mainline management, because we are the same company. Now this is where it's just hilarious, especially if you don't have to live with it. If mainline management did negotiate with us it would open them up to a single carrier lawsuit. So the only way we can survive is if the mainline pilots give management scope relief on the current 70 RJ's with in addition to their protections, the caveat that they go to the wholly owned's. No there is not specific language in their contract prohibiting RJ's to us (there is language for anything over 68 seats) but by scoping us out of the RJ's their fellow USAIR group pilots and giving them out to the competition, they are killing us and the unions. Bottom line is the mainline MEC has the power via scope language to dictate to mangement who gets and how many RJ's are flying. If the mainline MEC allows the RJ's to contract carriers they will lose control over all their feeds. destroy us, fellow ALPA group pilots, and put their own jobs in jepardy from mainline management looking to outsource more and more flying to the lowest bidder