RJ 700 ASA Displacement Revisited

[ICU]

Hate to drag up the same old subject BUT, has any one figured out why on the new prelim there are no resultant dispalcements off the CRJ200 ?

It seems to me that the company is about to transfer 9 CRJ 700 captains on to the CRJ200, and hasn't posted any vacancies. Does this mean that these CRJ700 guys who are junior to my self and many others are by passing the seniority list if there are truely no vacancies? Or does this mean that 9 guys at the back of the seniority list are about to be furloughed?

Call me stupid, (STUPID) but I thought in order to displace there had to be resultant displacements. Unless there are new vacancies which these guys could hold. To me no resultant displacements equals vacancies?

And while we are on the subject has any body noticed a lack of minimum position information on the Position notice what are our minimums? and how on earth are you supposed to bid if you don't have all the required information.



Thanks

 

[sleepy]

Yes, I was wondering the same thing. If the displaced pilots from the CR7 are junior to some CR2 or AT7 FO's who have bids in for CR2 Captain positions in ATL (and most are), Then those FO's with the bid in are being by-passed for those newly created CR2 Captain positions. As I understand our contract, the displaced CR7 pilots only have the ability to by-pass a senior FO to move from CR7 FO to CR7 Captain for 6 months after the displacement.

I smell a grievance!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Call me stupid

Ok, your stupid. If you incite folks to file grievances the Company might just decide to follow the exact letter of the contract and displace you to the AT7, where you could also sit on reserve. Worse, apparently a majority of the ATR's are broken at the moment, so nobody is flying them. (Probably the CRJ 700 is covering additional ATL-CSG legs)

Just kidding, you are not stupid at all, but you may have discovered something that would do you more harm than good. Who wants to go through training three times in less than a year? On second thought, if level D sim time counts we could probably all make Airtran's PIC requirements while getting training on the ATR, CRJ, CR7 then CRJ and ATR, then CRJ and CR7 again next spring. (I think with SIM and IOE that is nearly 500 hours)

Hey, if you are looking for me, call 1-800-THE ROOF. Red Roof Inn Baby, walking distance to Flight Safety, crawling distance from Spondivits

P.S. I thought the Company could displace out of seniority on equipment type for 4 months, or is it 6? I know you can re-upgrade back to your old position out of seniority for 6.

 

[ReportCanoa]

I, for one, am in danger of being bypassed in a second round of displacements. If this should happen, I am inclined to bid the F/O position so that I may get my seat back within 6 months.

Whether or not ASA will honour this is unknown. The contract specifically says the company "may" effect that clause. Whether or not they do is something I will be worrying about. Our current contract is so f'n weak in this regard, along with many other issues, I am inclined to look at a different place to work.

And yes, there have been vacancies made where there were none.


Sleepy, PM me......

Cheers-

 

[FL000]

Prof is right. The company is showing some mercy on those who were originally resultants. If the company were to send them out to Dallas, there would be two possible scenarios:

1. Pay to move the resultant displacements to DFW, then move them back again within 6 months while saving zero dollars operationally; or,

2. If no recall in 6 months, then an indefinite new domicile in DFW, disrupting the lives of a dozen pilots for 3-4 years or more, most of whom have held that postion in ATL for more than 2 years.

Go ahead and file your grievance. If you're successful, you'll only be screwing a dozen or so of your fellow pilots, most of whom don't really want to go to DFW, or back to the right seat.

It looks like things are going to sort themselves out within a few months anyway. Everyone I've heard talk about it says the 11 will get their spots back within 6 months.

 

[ICU]

Originally posted by FL000

Go ahead and file your grievance. If you're successful, you'll only be screwing a dozen or so of your fellow pilots, most of whom don't really want to go to DFW, or back to the right seat.

Hey FL000 point taken, I'm not talking grievance yet, but I do know several pissed off guys that are, and they are the ones who mentioned it to me. What can I say the company's going about this the wrong way, Shocker

 

[FL000]

By the way, I didn't mean to sound like such a jackass towards you. Beer is never an excuse, but often a good explanation. For what it's worth, I see your original point.

 

[Old Crow]

I would like to encourage each of you to understand that upholding the contract wether it's good for you or not is important. If you choose to just let it slide for six months then you're only cheating the value of why we are unionized.

If there is a person senior enough to hold a Captain bid then the bid must go in seniority order. The company must create a vacancy for CR2 Capt. then assign the positions in order. The managers are never really educated that "displacement" will result in zero savings unless they can disregard the pwa.

 

[rjcap]

If there is a person senior enough to hold a Captain bid then the bid must go in seniority order. The company must create a vacancy for CR2 Capt. then assign the positions in order. The managers are never really educated that "displacement" will result in zero savings unless they can disregard the pwa.

If I understand this correctly there should have been vacancies created for the CPT CR2 positions and then an award based on seniority. The transferring of the CR7 pilots to the CR2 CPT positions has basicaly been done with disregard for seniority.

This should be grieved by those affected as a matter of principle even though a strict interpretation of the contract would cause further displacements and thus an increased cost of retraining to the company.

Pilots must remember to not give the company an inch in these situations considering the blatant violations of the contract that occur daily.

 

[sleepy]

If I understand this correctly there should have been vacancies created for the CPT CR2 positions and then an award based on seniority. The transferring of the CR7 pilots to the CR2 CPT positions has basicaly been done with disregard for seniority.

This should be grieved by those affected as a matter of principle even though a strict interpretation of the contract would cause further displacements and thus an increased cost of retraining to the company.

Pilots must remember to not give the company an inch in these situations considering the blatant violations of the contract that occur daily.

RJCAPT and I finally agree on something.

Yes, a grievance should be filed by the by-passed pilots. If the Union does not fight this now, it could be worse later on if the Company again violates our PWA in this area.

I feel for the pilots who were displaced, but it is your responsibility to know all of the provisions of our contract before you bid on a position. Given our weak contract and the uncertainty of our industry, it is very risky to be at the bottom of any seniority list at ASA. Especially on a new aircraft type.