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[ToTheStars]

I thought Raytheon was maintaining them at the service centers?

 

[ToTheStars]

I can certainly see why they would be less expensive than others on the market based on the high time and cycles on the airframe. However, the should be maintained just like any other Raytheon warranteed aircraft. No?

 

[400A]

I can certainly see why they would be less expensive than others on the market based on the high time and cycles on the airframe. However, the should be maintained just like any other Raytheon warranteed aircraft. No?

Very Few if any F/O aircraft are under warranty. Most far exceed any time limits under warranty. Read the many post on her about how poor their maintenance practices are. Very very poor.

Management does not approve MX and retaliate against pilots who refuse to fly broken aircraft.

 

[dime line]

I know that most of the Hawker fleet looks like a freight haulin truck

And a lot of the BJ's look like freight haulers. I have seen a lot of them getting painted though.
Ya know Earl Shive painting

 

[chingaso]

I thought Raytheon was maintaining them at the service centers?

That's assuming that they are allowed to go to the service centers in the first place.

Company shops can pencil whip a 3-day inspection literally overnight, not fix a single squawk, and extend an MEL indefinitely (really). That keeps the plane in the air and away from a real service center.

Back when we were going into the RAS shops, the tech would be all over the discrepency (-ies), and the crew would go to the hotel expecting the plane to be "properly maintained" and up by mid-afternoon. Upon return to the shop at 6am the next morning (to standby) they always, everytime, find the plane green. The tech, with a bad taste in his mouth, would sheepishly tell the crew that they had been instructed to this-or-that quick-fix by Cleveland (which barely fell within the letter of the law but enough for the tech to do it) and that it was signed off and green. If the PIC called Cleveland to find out the truth, he'd get brow-beat by a PSM or by his PM, be reminded that the airplane was green and contained a 'legal' sign-off, and told he had no choice but to accept the trips that had now appeared on his schedule. That day, or the next, surely, the same discrepency would be written up by that PIC again, or an oncoming crew, and the process would be repeated.

We rarely see Raytheon shops these days.

 

[hawkercpt]

It was that way when I was there too. Would have been 8 years this past spring but I got out. Too many times there would be repeat write-ups day after day. Samr crap. Raytheon service centers were far and few between. Mostly because Raytheon wouldn't let the plane go out without being properly taken care of. Management would have a fit because a plane would go in for a 3 day inspection and come out 3 weeks later. But at least it would be fixed.