Retread Question for AETC Maj & Lt Cols

[C5 Guy]

How is AETC treating furloughed airline guys who returned to AD to fly white jets? What kind of jobs are Majors and Lt Cols getting and how much are you guys flying? Any non-reserve pilots able to fly only as line pilots as Maj/Lt Col?

I'm a UAL furloughee (2+years and counting). Came back on active duty to PACAF to fly -9s but the AF just retired them. Might go back to FRED but would rather not.

Go TED!!

 

[Ih8AFYesmen]

When I was in AETC about a 1.5 year ago, white jets were filling up quickly with alot of furloughed guys returining to AD. From my experience, I saw alot of Maj/LtCol types who were just line IPs. In my flight, we had a Major as a grade book officer. He once told me that he was not promotable to LtCol because he didn't want do PME. If you are honest about your intentions, the commander will leave you alone. If you and your family can put up with living in some god forbidden location, the job itself (I thought) is well worth it; I actually had a blast! Being home everynight and not being at the mercy of TACC can't be beat. Do you still do those M3's?

 

[talondriver]

How is AETC treating furloughed airline guys who returned to AD to fly white jets? What kind of jobs are Majors and Lt Cols getting and how much are you guys flying?

I know one guy who returned to active duty and was told (in a round about way) by his new active duty commander that he wasn't going to be considered for any jobs that would help him progress in his career. That didn't settle well with him.
If being challenged isn't your thing, AETC would be a good call.
Yeah, people say flying with students is ALWAYS a challenge, but even that gets old after awhile. Did you watch groundhog day?

 

[YeOldeProp]

AETC doesn't want field graders...unless they're on the pretty boy list. The leadership wants more folks like themselves who are willing to do anything and say anything to keep the "image" of happiness alive. Capt's are still gullible enough to fall into this trap. Problem is that there's not enough of them around. Can't talk about UPT bases, but the buddies who got non-vol'd to Altus/Little Rock are hating life. No promotion opportunities unless you're the exec, and working 6-days a week. Watch out for yourself...

 

[Ih8AFYesmen]

Promotion rate to O-4 in AETC, especially at UPT bases, was below the AF average. Infact, the non-flyers had a better success rate than pilots at Laughlin when I was there. If promotion is what you are looking for, then white jets can be a kiss of death for many. If you want to see your kids grow up, then it's a great job.

 

[TopBugs]

returning to active duty

I am also ex-united. Put my package in for return to Active Duty six months ago for T-1's & C-5's. I was an IP in both. I got a rejection letter a few months ago. The AF are still looking for guys, but is exteamly competitive at this point. When I talked with RAFB two years ago, the AF would take anyone at anytime. So many of the AETC & MWS training slots are now filled throughout 2004, that they can be very selective.

Brett (homemaker, soon to be T-1 reserve guy)

 

[pilot141]

Hey Ih8AFYesmen when were you at Laughlin? (Great Username, BTW!)

OK, on further reading you were there 1.5 years ago. Is that when you left? I was an AD T-1 puke from 98-00, and a Reserve slacker until last year.

And brett malone I've heard from a lot of guys that the flesh-peddlers at Randolph are living in the fantasy world of being able to be "selective" with guys coming BACK to active duty. Several of my buds have been offered "Take airframe X to base Coldsore or re-apply next year." They were telling airlift guys that a tanker to the Forks was the only gate into AD.

 

[talondriver]

We had a guy (recent AA furloughee) return to an active duty staff job a couple of weeks ago. Not optimum, but it's paying the bills.

 

[spanky2]

Don't mix info. Depends on what status you return to AD under. Some return under RARP (retired aviatior recall program) since they retired.

Some return but they separated prior to retirment.

These are different animals in many ways.

RARP - can NOT get promoted, can not be moved (unless a vol), can fly but difficult, primarily put in a staff job. Time spent on active duty adds to subsequent retirement. Get flight pay but not bonuses.

AD return from previous separation - normal ops as if you never separated (I think).

I am back under RARP after being f'ed by DAL.