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JCL and CT are life long politicians! They will spin this as their having to do this to get ALPA's help during you're 1113! The status reps will buy it along with enough of the pilot group to keep them in power!

As incriminating as their testimony is, they have been caught with their pants down more than once, yet they live to fight another day!

Despite how you might feel about the RJDC, If I were a Comair pilot I certainly believe they would be forced to resign Immediatly!!!! There is no way this can go unchallenged!!!
 
I pointed this out some time ago. The RJDC depositions were a disaster for the RJDC. This is all very good news and will hopefully lead to a summary dismisal of the last remaining RJDC claim.:)

RJDC Litigation Update November 7, 2006


In sworn depositions the RJDC lawsuit, which seeks among other things the elimination of the job protection elements of Collective Bargaining Agreements and the wholesale whipsaw of the industry, has suffered a serious set back.


Senior CMR MEC officials have admitted under oath that:

ASA and CMR flying is NOT highly integrated with Delta operations and that DAL Scope is NOT a threat to the interests and collective bargaining power of ASA and CMR

That there is NO irreconcilable conflict of interest due to ALPA’s dual obligation to Delta pilots and the ASA and CMR pilots

That it would be inappropriate for a member of one MEC to enter uninvited into the negotiations of another MEC

That during the collective bargaining process MEC’s have the autonomy to make their own decisions, bargain for their own pilots and set their own strategies

That ALPA has NOT discriminated against the CMR pilots

That the PID request was improper and authored by Dan (Ford), not the CMR MEC Chairman

These stunning revelations, made under oath by CMR MEC officials, will only hasten the inevitable dismantling of an ill conceived and short sited lawsuit. At no time did any CMR MEC official, under oath, charge that ALPA’s action had been arbitrary, discriminatory or in bad faith.
 
80for80 said:
Then what is the point of the RJDC filing the lawsuit? A seniority grab?
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Seriously? Either that was sarcastic, or somebody's been listening to an ill-informed Delta pilot.

I've spoken to JC behind closed doors about the RJDC, and let me tell you his personal thoughts were nothing like his deposition. I'm so disgusted by his ability to sell-out. Nothing Cory does suprises me.
 
www.,

Absolutely! While it will ultimitely not make any difference in the litigation, what it will do is become rediculously obvious to Comair pilots that JC has/is lieing to them. His deposition is a complete 180 to what he promises to the Comair pilots, and this could very easily cost him his job.

I agree with spin on this. It is definitely required reading for all Comair pilots.
 
Lesson for ya they did not teach you at Purdue.... At most airlines, if a manager's mouth is moving, they are lying.
 
Remington said:
Lesson for ya they did not teach you at Purdue.... At most airlines, if a manager's mouth is moving, they are lying.
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JCL is Comairs MEC Chairman!!!!!!! Not management!!!!! At least not up to this point...and to the pilot groups knowledge!!!!!!!

The harm they have caused or may yet cause is undetermined.


Both those guys need to go now!!!!
 
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bvt1151 said:
I've spoken to JC behind closed doors about the RJDC, and let me tell you his personal thoughts were nothing like his deposition.
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You obviously misunderstood him, or heard what you wanted to hear. At least we now know, through his sworn deposition, that the RJDC claims are BS.
 
bvt1151 said:
www.,

what it will do is become rediculously obvious to Comair pilots that JC has/is lieing to them. His deposition is a complete 180 to what he promises to the Comair pilots, and this could very easily cost him his job.
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Perhaps it is the RJDC that has been lieing all along.

Exactly how is his deposition a complete 180 to what he promised the Comair pilots? What did he promise the Comair pilots?
 
bvt1151 said:
Seriously? Either that was sarcastic, or somebody's been listening to an ill-informed Delta pilot.

I've spoken to JC behind closed doors about the RJDC, and let me tell you his personal thoughts were nothing like his deposition. I'm so disgusted by his ability to sell-out. Nothing Cory does suprises me.
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Were you guys in the locker room showers when you were behind closed doors? Did you have one towel? The NERDS are back, and they're BAD!!!


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Anyone notice a trend? The Delta guys who've never met JC say I must have misunderstood his intentions. Hold on, let me stop laughing first. Ok.

No wait, here it comes again...

Ahhhh. The irony of this thread is that even though Remington referred to JC as a manager, he hit it right on the head. JC has backed the RJDC from day one, all Comair pilots knew it, but no Delta pilots did because it was never spelled out in writing, "I support the RJDC" for obvious litigation reasons. It matters not what Delta pilots are told (oops I mean think) anyways. Did you even read the deposition? JC said he changed his mind (but in true political fashion declined to say he was ever wrong)! This is the first any Comair pilot has heard of this change of mind, and it reeks of political wrangling by ALPA.

The Comair pilots demand nothing less a fulfillment of obligations by their union. If it means filing a lawsuit against the organization that failed to meet its obligation to allow us to negotiate for ourselves, or if it means removing an MEC that has migrating loyalties from the Comair pilots to the National level, the Comair pilots have proven they will not stand for it.
 
The Comair pilots demand nothing less a fulfillment of obligations by their union. If it means filing a lawsuit against the organization that failed to meet its obligation to allow us to negotiate for ourselves, or if it means removing an MEC that has migrating loyalties from the Comair pilots to the National level, the Comair pilots have proven they will not stand for it.

Hey "bvt" has anything about their testimony been posted in "Ops"?
 
bvt1151 said:
Anyone notice a trend? The Delta guys who've never met JC say I must have misunderstood his intentions. Hold on, let me stop laughing first. Ok.
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I know JC. I talked to him recently at the BOD, in fact. What you don't seem to understand about JC is that he is a masterful politician. When you talk to JC "behind closed doors" he is telling you what you want to hear. When he talks to me, he is probably doing the same. He knows his audience and tailors his remarks to what they want to hear. If you think that you know what JC really thinks just because he "told me behind closed doors," then you're extremely naive. What matters is what JC does, not what he says. JC is a respected member of the Executive Council (until his term ends on Jan 1, anyway) and seems to get along well with the National Officers. He has done nothing in recent memory that would indicate any support for the RJDC. Can you point to anything within the past few years that JC has done to support the RJDC, rather than just what he has said to you?
 
Give it a rest already! The RJDC, (Captain Ford looking to grab a Delta senority #) is done and dead! There is no way you can convince any court in the country that scope damaged your futures! On the other hand I think we can show that scope hurt the Delta pilots futures! I just can't beleive this sh$$ is still going on!
 
Poor acarpe. The age-old argument that the RJDC is simply a seniority grab is the most ill-informed, politically-driven, kool-aid I've seen ALPA dish out. If you don't even understand the reasons for the RJDC's existence, how can you argue against it? Drink up.

PCL,

What you see of JC is in a National setting. It is the single-most common complaint of Comair pilots that JC caters to National to the point of sacrificing his commitments to the Comair pilots. I don't doubt for a minute what he says and does at the National level, nor do I doubt that he's fed every single pilot at Comair lies with the single purpose of maintaining his MEC position regardless of the cost to Comair pilots.
Regarding the support for the RJDC, reference the links at the beginning of the post. JC strongly supported the position of the RJDC, just not the letters R-J-D-C specifically due to the litigation. You'll also notice no opposition to the RJDC until the testimony (which was "prepared" for with the "help" of several ALPA attornies). JC has quietly supported the RJDC to his constituents, and then actively opposed them only to National colleagues, which seems to have worked with his election to VP of group B-1. The Comair pilots have noticed these issues in the past, with the barely missed (and sabatoged) MEC recall, as well as the Department of Labor's investigation into the MEC election process. These are all local concerns that would go entirely unnoticed at the National level. Lucky for us, JC is elected by the people he represents (indirectly), and not National.

Regardless of what JC does Nationally, there is very serious concern of his activities locally. You are right in saying that JC is especially political and won't hesitate to lie, but his reasoning for doing this isn't in the best interest of the Comair pilots. Its to retain his position Nationally, and his lifestyle of making a whopping three take-offs and landings in 90 days while bringing in 100 hours a month. I don't care what's best for JC. I care whats best for the Comair pilots.
 
bvt1151 said:
Poor acarpe. The age-old argument that the RJDC is simply a seniority grab is the most ill-informed, politically-driven, kool-aid I've seen ALPA dish out. If you don't even understand the reasons for the RJDC's existence, how can you argue against it? Drink up.
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You're right sport, it's also about defrauding the union out of $$!
You morons just don't seem to want to admit it!

737
 
There it is again. Totally unaware that Dan Ford has said publicly several times that he's not interested in any money from ALPA, and has suggested several deals with ALPA that would cost ALPA a grand total of $0. You'd know that if you looked for the facts yourself, instead of believing whatever you were told.
Like Lemmings off a cliff...
 
bvt1151 said:
There it is again. Totally unaware that Dan Ford has said publicly several times that he's not interested in any money from ALPA, and has suggested several deals with ALPA that would cost ALPA a grand total of $0. You'd know that if you looked for the facts yourself, instead of believing whatever you were told.
Like Lemmings off a cliff...
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The facts seem not to matter much to you. The fact is that Dan Ford sued for money, quite a bit of money. The fact that the courts tossed out is monetary claims shows the true frivolous nature of your losing lawsuit. Dan Fords next step, after the courts tossed out the CMR lawsuit monetary claims, was to put them back in, with the frivolous ASA lawsuit sponsored by the RJDC.

I think most of us are very aware of the misrepresentations, half truths and out right lies of the RJDC and the ignorance of their supporters.
 
bvt1151 said:
There it is again. Totally unaware that Dan Ford has said publicly several times that he's not interested in any money from ALPA, and has suggested several deals with ALPA that would cost ALPA a grand total of $0. You'd know that if you looked for the facts yourself, instead of believing whatever you were told.
Like Lemmings off a cliff...
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Like morons with a brain...... Liars too!
Here it is again. I suggest you read it s-l-o-w-l-y!!!!!!!!!!! I mean after all, its from YOUR website!


h. as to the claims set forth in Count VIII, such sum as may be determined
at trial, but in no event less than the sum of Two Million Dollars
($2,000,000.00) each.

i. as to the claims set forth in Count IX,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

j. as to the claims set forth in Count X,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million Dollars ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each, plus the cumulative sum of One
Hundred Million ($100,000,000.00) as exemplary and punitive damages.

k. as to the claims set forth in Count XI, such sum as may be determined at
trial, but in no event less than Two Million ($2,000,000.00) each.

l. as to the claims set forth in Count XII, such sum as may be determined at
trial, but in no event less than Two Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

m. as to the claims set forth in Count XIII,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

737
 
Do you know what a lawsuit is?
Do you understand that an amount must be placed on the lawsuit?
Have you spent any time reading about the RJDC from any other source than ALPA (who has proven to be able to twist more facts than management)?

Maybe when you get older...

Until then, keep lurking on the wittiw wegionaws boawd to show just how much you think you know.
 
bvt1151 said:
Regarding the support for the RJDC, reference the links at the beginning of the post. JC strongly supported the position of the RJDC, just not the letters R-J-D-C specifically due to the litigation. You'll also notice no opposition to the RJDC until the testimony (which was "prepared" for with the "help" of several ALPA attornies). JC has quietly supported the RJDC to his constituents, and then actively opposed them only to National colleagues
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I'm fully aware that JC was a closet-supporter of the RJDC in the past (reference the discussion of the DAL MEC about asking JC and other reps to make on-the-record statements about whether they support the RJDC), but it's been quite a while since I've heard any discussion of JC having any involvement. Several years, in fact.

I've never been a fan of JC, and that hasn't changed, but I do believe that his thought process could have changed over the years and he might have realized that rational people work within the system rather than bring litigation that will destroy your own union and profession.

which seems to have worked with his election to VP of group B-1.
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Just to be clear, JC was elected to the position of Group B1 EVP under the old EC structure. The EC was recently restructured and elections held at the BOD. JC was not elected as EVP for the new Group B1. JC will no longer be on the EC.

but his reasoning for doing this isn't in the best interest of the Comair pilots. Its to retain his position Nationally, and his lifestyle of making a whopping three take-offs and landings in 90 days while bringing in 100 hours a month. I don't care what's best for JC. I care whats best for the Comair pilots.
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I don't believe that to be true. Again, I'm not a fan, but JC has never appeared to me to be some opportunist that will screw anyone to keep his position. I've disagreed with him on a great many things, but I think he always does what he thinks is the right thing for both the Comair pilots and the profession.

As for this lavish lifestyle that you refer to, I think you need to become better informed. MEC Chairmen usually receive full-time buyout because they have to. The position requires so much work that you simply can't fly the line and hold the position. Some MEC Chairmen remain current only in the sim. They never have the time to fly the line enough to stay current. Also, if you are unhappy with the FPL setup at Comair, then bring a resolution to change it. The way that FPL is handled by each MEC can be changed. Get involved and work within the sytem rather than just complaining and filing lawsuits.
 
bvt1151 said:
Do you know what a lawsuit is?
Do you understand that an amount must be placed on the lawsuit?
Have you spent any time reading about the RJDC from any other source than ALPA (who has proven to be able to twist more facts than management)?

Maybe when you get older...

Until then, keep lurking on the wittiw wegionaws boawd to show just how much you think you know.
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Hey numbnutz....This is from YOUR website....I suggest you take reading and comprehension skills! Make sure you keep sending Danno and Haber your hard earned $$, winter time is coming and I hear Haber likes to spend his time in St. Tropez, when not taking up donations from the morons of the rjdc!
737
 
Nevermind...

Its like trying to explain negotiating tactics to a new hire.

BTW, its not my website. I'm not a plaintiff, nor have I ever sent a check. I send much more than that to ALPA twice a month, and simply demand they deliver on their promises. The RJDC has already done more for me than ALPA over the past five years (No Jets for Jobs scam).
 
Re: Required reading by Comair Pilots!

737 Pylt said:
Like morons with a brain...... Liars too! Here it is again. I suggest you read it s-l-o-w-l-y!!!!!!!!!!! I mean after all, its from YOUR website!
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You guys like to dwell on the monetary damages but never mention the following:

- Before the lawsuit was filed (and after), we sent letters to Duane Woerth and the EC asking for an audience with the Executive Council to air our concerns and got nowhere.

- We met with our local MECs several times and were ignored.

- We filed grievances against the union. They weren't heard. We didn't lose the grievances, they weren't heard.

- We requested a hearing board from ALPA. Nothing.

- About six months into the litigation, we put a settlement offer on the table and one has been there ever since.

We've been rebuffed at every turn trying to work within the system. Now, ALPA is in court on the 1113 process saying that Comair is, in fact, integrated with Delta Air Lines. We were saying that in 1999 but the Delta pilots and ALPA denied any operational integration existed and the race-to-the-bottom-alter-ego disaster was on.

Your crocodile tears about the money falls flat.
 
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