Renting a Twin or something fast

[minitour]

Hey y'all...here's the deal...

I'm probably going to be out here in "Okla-Freakin-Homa" (as was said before) until late December/early January...so I'm looking to fly home for Christmas and Thanksgiving...since I just picked up a part time job (back in retail yay), I'll probably be working Black Friday and Christmas Eve and I figured, I'll need to get home quickly...I think it works out to about a 5-6 hour flight in a 172, but I was hoping for more of a 3 hour flight...

Now, by Thanksgiving, I should have my Comm Single...maybe Multi...but I'd think Single for sure...so I want to rent something fast...

just wondering if anyone has any "General" ideas on a few things:
1. With FBOs, do they have high 'minimums' for their twins / faster planes?
2. Asuming I'm only going to get about 10-15 ME in the CMEL program, is that going to cut it for those insurance minimums (assuming a 'checkout' with one of thier CFIs or something like that)?
3. Any reccomendations on a certain plane to look for?
4. Any ideas on cost...I've gotta go from OKC are to CLE area and back...factoring in landing fees/parking/tie down I know it won't be cheap...probably cheaper to airline it, but I'm gonna need the ME time anyway, right?

Thanks for any help and tips you could toss my way.

Oh, I should toss in that I'd like something that I'll be able to handle single pilot as I don't think I'll be able to get anyone to go with me and probably something that can handle some ice too since it'll be that time of year...
Thanks again

-mini

 

[RideTheWind]

Whatever dude, Southwest will get you there and back a couple of times for a chit load of a lot less than renting something twice as fast as a 172, you can't rent anything that fast.

To bulid multi time ya don't buy it, ya get a job flying SIC for a freight company.

 

[minitour]

Whatever dude, Southwest will get you there and back a couple of times for a chit load of a lot less than renting something twice as fast as a 172, you can't rent anything that fast.

To bulid multi time ya don't buy it, ya get a job flying SIC for a freight company.

Yeah I know...I think the airfare was like 200 bux round trip...which, of course, is like taxi, runup, takeoff, and climbout on the rental...

Re the job: Will I get one other than Suicide Engineer (MEI) with 10-15ME hours?

Other than the stuff I already know, thanks for the reply.

-mini

 

[RideTheWind]

Re the job: Will I get one other than Suicide Engineer (MEI) with 10-15ME hours?-mini

I don't think so, it doesn't sound like you like to put much effort into anything.

 

[minitour]

Yeah you're probably right...I just love the thought of sitting around getting orange fingertips from my cheezypoofs while mooching off of welfare letting uncle same pay for my lazyness and declare bankrupcy so I don't have to worry about my student loan payment...

Sounds like a blast...

Dude, get the chip off of your shoulder...

I asked a question about renting something to fly home to see the wife and family for the holidays...you didn't attempt to answer it...I asked another question about getting a job with only 10-15ME hours after getting the CMEL ...and again you didn't attempt to answer it...

I know I'm going to struggle in this industry just the same as everyone else does at first (or at least should).

I'm not looking to head into the PFT thing and buy my type rating...I have no desire to pay $80K for a right seat in an RJ or B1900...I'd rather work hard and earn my hours...

My simple question was:

If I'm flying home to see my wife...is there a way I can do it in something fast and not have to have a ton of hours to meet an FBOs insurance minimums and how much would someone think it would cost (generally).

My second question after your "enlightening" response was:

Will I be able to get a job other than (in my opinion) the rather dangerous MEI with only 10-15 hours of ME? (and even that I'm sure I'd need at least what 25 or 30 to get through both checkrides?)

Don't second guess my work ethic. I'll be the first to admit I don't know everything and I don't have all of the answers, but if there's something to learn, I want to learn it...if there's something I need to do to make my "carreer" start off on the right foot, I'm going to do it.

So if you've got an answer to either of these questions, by all means, share your info. I'm sure you have more information than I do, I can see your total time is WAY more than what I've got, and if you've got something to add, I'll listen. If, however, you're just here to promote your own personal agenda and spout off about people you don't even know, please take it to another thread...I'm trying to learn here.

-mini

PS
After re-reading my reply to your first post, I realize it sounds a little pissy like I didn't want to hear what you had to say. For that, I apologize. Honestly did appreciate the reply...aside from the stuff that I already knew...

 

[FN FAL]

hahaha...you said "or something fast"

that left a lot to the imagination, but I'm sure Uziel Gal would get the joke!

 

[RideTheWind]

I did answer your questions, first, again, you CAN NOT rent something to get you 800 miles in 3 hours (266 knots per hour).

Second, yes there are paying copilot jobs out there in the freightdog world, IF YOU PUT SOME EFFORT INTO LOOKING.

 

[minitour]

I did answer your questions, first, again, you CAN NOT rent something to get you 800 miles in 3 hours (266 knots per hour).

Second, yes there are paying copilot jobs out there in the freightdog world, IF YOU PUT SOME EFFORT INTO LOOKING.

First:
You answered by implying that either I was too stupid to know or care that I could fly southworst for less...if you would have stated it like you just did, do you think we'd have a problem?

Second:
I don't have a CPL yet...why should I look for a job now? I wasn't asking for someone to say "hey this place will hire you". I was looking for a "yeah it shouldn't be a problem" or "no, you'll need probably 50 ME". I didn't really think that was asking a whole lot.

-mini

PS
THANK YOU for helping...with the rental thing...Obviously 3 hours is going to be pushing it...

 

[e12pilot]

minitour,
Another low time guy here so take this with a grain of salt(*ducks*). The most cost effective/fast plane that I have flown is the 172XP II.

Checkout wasn't too lengthy as long as you had around 100TT and were somewhat competent.

You can get it to cruise at 135ish, and they usually run $90ish/hour out in Oregon.

Good luck!

Peter

 

[EagleRJ]

If you want fast, and you want to fly yourself, I'd agree that you should look for a fast single. Find a Mooney 201 or something that will be both cheaper and faster than the usual Seneca/Dutchess/Apache that is for rent at the FBO.

If you want to build your multi time, this might be a good time to tack on some hours, even though it will be more expensive and have stricter minimums for rental. Everyone follows a little different path in building their multi hours up enough to get their first job flying a twin. Ask around the airport and I'd bet that you could find a twin owner who woundn't mind some company on his trips. It's free for you, and you'll probably get to fly nicer equipment than if you were renting!

 

[Lead Sled]

Don't for get the instrument rating...

In addition to the rerequsite amount of multi and/or retractable time, a lot of insurance companies want to see an instrument rating to fly certain HP or multi-engined aircraft.

Lead Sled

 

[bigD]

With your time, you might have to forget about the twin. At least in my area, you're gonna need at least 300TT, in many cases an instrument rating (like Lead Sled said - heh, say that 3 times fast!), 50 multi, and some time in type. Some places will waive the 50 multi requirement if you get something like 20 or 25 hours of dual in the plane. The training twin at our school requires 350TT, 50 multi, and 10 in type, or 5 hours of dual from our school in place of the 10 hours. Regardless, renting a twin is gonna be tough until you get some more total time.

The better option is finding a nice faster single that you can get insured in. Really, our twin does only 150 knots, and your typical Seminole or Duchess is only gonna give you 155 or so. It won't be too hard to find a single that'll approach those numbers, and it won't be such a pain to rent either. Of course you won't be building multi, but welcome to renting.

And one last thing - your MEI isn't gonna help much either. At least with our insurance, you're gonna need 800TT and at least 150 multi to get insured as an MEI. And this isn't even an open pilot requirement - we're having to name each individial MEI on the policy. We casually asked about a guy with 600TT and 150 multi, and our insurance company laughed at us. They've been brutal, that's for sure.

 

[minitour]

Thanks for the help guys!

I should have the IR by the end of the week, so that'll take care of that...but there's no way I'll get above probably 180 for the CSEL/CMEL as I've only got 90 right now and the school runs a "reduced minima" on the CPL.

So are there any suggestions on minimums for a "fast" single? I mean is the "usual" (slow flight/stalls/couple of landings/steep turns) checkout gonna hack it at most FBOs or am I gonna have to have a bunch of Complex time?

Thanks again for the help

-mini

 

[bigD]

It really depends on the single. You should be able to get away with getting checked out in a 172RG or Arrow without having much complex time. You might need 5 hours in the plane, but I think you'd be fine otherwise. You'll have to shop around and see what the minimums are. For something like a Mooney, Bonanza, etc...you'll need a good amount of retract time, I'm afraid.

Another option is to look for something like a straight legged 182 or Dakota. You might find it more insurable, it'll be pretty much as fast as a 172RG or Arrow, and it'd haul a whole lot more. I'd take a 182 on trips long before an Arrow or 172RG.

 

[minitour]

Cool...thanks again!
-mini

 

[wheelsup]

Yeah I know...I think the airfare was like 200 bux round trip...which, of course, is like taxi, runup, takeoff, and climbout on the rental...

Re the job: Will I get one other than Suicide Engineer (MEI) with 10-15ME hours?

Other than the stuff I already know, thanks for the reply.

-mini

Air Orlando, the school I used to work at, had the lowest rental minimums for twins I've ever heard of. Multi-Private w/ Inst. rating, 250 TT, 10 hours in a Seneca I with 2 of those hours in our Seneca I. That's it!

To instruct just the same multi requirements too. However, those were Seneca I's that MAYBE did 150 ktas. Rent a Cirrus SR-22 if you want speed.

~wheelsup