Ransome Airlines/Pan AM guys?

[LearLove]

Is it true that when JD sold the operation to Pan Am in the late 80's that all his pilots on the Ransome list got DOH with Pan Am?

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=145532&WxsIERv=RGUgSGF2aWxsYW5kIERhc2ggNw%3D%3D&WdsYXMg=UGFuIEFtIEV4cHJlc3M%3D&QtODMg=UGhpbGFkZWxwaGlhIC0gTm9ydGhlYXN0IChQTkUgLyBLUE5FKQ%3D%3D&ERDLTkt=VVNBIC0gUGVubnN5bHZhbmlh&ktODMp=MTk4OA%3D%3D&BP=0&WNEb25u=RG9uYWxkIEJvdHRz&xsIERvdWdsY=TjE3MFJB&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=MTQxNA%3D%3D&NEb25uZWxs=MjAwMS0wMi0yNyAwMDowMDowMA%3D%3D&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=&static=yes&sok=V0hFUkUgIChhaXJjcmFmdF9nZW5lcmljID0gJ0RlIEhhdmlsbGFuZCBDYW5hZGEgREhDLTcgRGFzaCA3IChPLTUpJykgQU5EIChhaXJsaW5lIExJS0UgJ1BhbiBBbSUnIEFORCBhaXJsaW5lIE5PVCBMSUtFICclUGFuIEFtZXJpY2FuLUdyYWNlJScgT1IgYWlybGluZSBMSUtFICdKQVQgLSBZdWdvc2xhdiBBaXJsaW5lcyAoUGFuIEFtKSUnKSAgT1JERVIgQlkgcGhvdG9faWQgREVTQw%3D%3D&photo_nr=13&size=M

I've been told its true but wanted to ask around here. Anyone here ever work for JD? Been told the company was a blast to work for. JD did alot of flying, he flew the hump during WW2.

 

[LittleDeuce]

Pan Am

Yes, it's true. Pan Am Express had an origonal "flow trough".

When you were hired on the Express side, you got a Pan Am Seniority number from day 1. I was hired in 1990 and at that time the flow through took about 4 years.

I still have a copy of the Pan Am Seniority list. Useless of course but a great souvenir.

 

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Little Duece:

You are right about Ransome, but that is not a "flow through" in the way most of the preferred ALPA members think of a "flow through."

Pan Am absorbed the Ransome guys with what amounted to a staple of a certain number of pilots per year until they were all on the Pan Am list. Afterwards, all Ransome new hires had Pan Am numbers.

What most ALPA guys think of as a "flow through" is that a limited number of pilots ( after the preferred member's military buddies ) are hired at the preferred airline and then given a seniority number.

The difference is when and how the seniority number is granted. Pan Am / Ransome was one list.

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[CandlerWun]

Wow, that was really egalitarian of them. Too bad it didn't last...

Josh M

 

[TR4A]

I believe the number was 35 per year if hiring. They came over to right seat in the A310 or B727. When PAA started furloughing in the fall of 1991 there were going to be Ransome guys furloughed but more junior Pan Am "New Hires" staying as FEO's. The Express guys did not have a Flight Engineer seniority number and could not be a FEO. On 4 Dec 1991 everyone was furloughed.

 

[737tanker]

Friend of mine was one of the Ransome guys who went to PanAm via PanAm Express. When he went to PanAm he qualified on the A310. Delta only took A310 pilots so he ended up at Delta with his senority there based on his PanAm senority, which was based on his Ransom senority.