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upndsky
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I work for Ram although I can't tell you much about the interview process since it's changed since I got there.
Things are starting to move again after almost a year of stagnation. We've had around 8 pilots move on in the last few months and there are others who have interviews lined up.
I think Ryan (our CP) has been sending out apps to see how many are still interested or available. A lot of pilots who have sent resumes have since found other jobs. This is probably a way to shorten the stack. So if you're really interested, definitely send in the application. To increase your chance of getting a job, be willing to move and be willing to come at a moments notice. It's not unusual for someone to get a call on Thursday or Friday for a Monday class.
As far as training, it is one week long. First day is all groundschool and a drug test. The rest of the week is a mix of ground school, flight training and ride alongs. If all goes well, you do the checkride on Friday or during the weekend. Training is pretty intense because there's a lot of stuff to learn and little time to learn it in. Be sure your flying and instrument skills are up to par. We'll work with someone up to a point but if we're going to tell you to get some more experience and try back another time. Luckily that doesn't happen very often.
Otherwise, Ram has been a pretty good place to work. The experience is awesome, maintenance is good, but the pay sucks. And you can not be afraid of weather. If low minimums, ice and thunderstorms make you nervous, good (you should be). If they make you scared, though, than this is NOT the place for you. Single pilot IFR freight flying is a whole different animal than instructing. Do a gut check before you are ready to commit to come here. But once you do, this will be the most fun flying job you'll probably ever have.
Things are starting to move again after almost a year of stagnation. We've had around 8 pilots move on in the last few months and there are others who have interviews lined up.
I think Ryan (our CP) has been sending out apps to see how many are still interested or available. A lot of pilots who have sent resumes have since found other jobs. This is probably a way to shorten the stack. So if you're really interested, definitely send in the application. To increase your chance of getting a job, be willing to move and be willing to come at a moments notice. It's not unusual for someone to get a call on Thursday or Friday for a Monday class.
As far as training, it is one week long. First day is all groundschool and a drug test. The rest of the week is a mix of ground school, flight training and ride alongs. If all goes well, you do the checkride on Friday or during the weekend. Training is pretty intense because there's a lot of stuff to learn and little time to learn it in. Be sure your flying and instrument skills are up to par. We'll work with someone up to a point but if we're going to tell you to get some more experience and try back another time. Luckily that doesn't happen very often.
Otherwise, Ram has been a pretty good place to work. The experience is awesome, maintenance is good, but the pay sucks. And you can not be afraid of weather. If low minimums, ice and thunderstorms make you nervous, good (you should be). If they make you scared, though, than this is NOT the place for you. Single pilot IFR freight flying is a whole different animal than instructing. Do a gut check before you are ready to commit to come here. But once you do, this will be the most fun flying job you'll probably ever have.
upndsky
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Don't worry too much about the 135 stuff. It can get pretty confusing if you don't have someone there to explain it to you. They'll do that in class. Bone up on instrument procedures, most of which is in the AIM. If you haven't flown GPS approaches, read up on those. All our aircraft have Appolo GX-50 IFR-approved GPS. Although not as common as a Garmin or King, it's a good unit. I'm one of the instructor pilots and I would say that this is the one area most new-hires struggle in. If you haven't flown a GPS approach, find someone who can take you up and show you one (doesn't matter what unit). Before you come to class, you'll get a CD with a GX-50 simulator on it so you can practice on your computer. Also, if there is a Lance or a Seneca on the field, see if you can get a few hours of stick time in it or at the very least, get familiar with the cockpit layout. If you don't have much Piper time and there isn't a Lance on the field, any Cherokee type will do since the cockpits are laid out fairly similar.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
icefr8dawg
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single engine question
question for Ram Air Guys,
How do you deal with ice in the single engine aircraft?
I would be interested in working at Ram because cargo has almost vanished at my current gig. However, I can't imagine operating all toosucessfully during the winter in a non deiced single.
Rob
question for Ram Air Guys,
How do you deal with ice in the single engine aircraft?
I would be interested in working at Ram because cargo has almost vanished at my current gig. However, I can't imagine operating all toosucessfully during the winter in a non deiced single.
Rob
upndsky
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Simple, we ground the singles and upgrade the runs for that day to a twin. If we're short planes due to maintenance, we farm the work out. Our customers know this and its written into the contract that they'll eat the extra costs. It happens rarely, though. So far this year, we've only had one day where we grounded the Lances. Last year, I think it was only four or five days. The company is pretty good about stuff like this.
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Yea, cool, thanks for the info. We had several guys working with us up here in NJ that worked for RAM. One moved on to fly Hawkers and the other tried to scare us all with horror stories from RAM on day one of ground school. He failed an sic ride twice and was asked to leave, I think he got fired from RAM as well.
I'll send a resume down there but I don't feel like it will be well recieved since the website says not to send, fax or email. Any idea if they would entertain qualified applicants with prior 135 and hard weather experience?
Rob
I'll send a resume down there but I don't feel like it will be well recieved since the website says not to send, fax or email. Any idea if they would entertain qualified applicants with prior 135 and hard weather experience?
Rob
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That's typical. The only former Ramairians I know who knock the company are those who have been asked to leave. Everyone else I know has had a positive experience here. Don't get me wrong, this place isn't Eden, but for a freight outfit, you could do a lot worse.
As far as getting a look, go ahead and send in a resume to the CP, regardless of what the web site says. The worse they can do is throw it out (they won't). In the past having too much time or experience would have hurt you, since the theory is that you wouldn't stick around here very long. Ryan does all the hiring decisions but he's only been our CP since summer, so I don't know what his thoughts are on it. Again, you won't know if you don't apply.
mbw, if there is an interview, it's a short one over the phone, very casual, just trying to get to know you. There's no face-to-face like you would get at an airline. If you get a call, it's to see if you're still interested and probably to offer you a class. The only way to blow it is if you come across as a complete idiot or worse, a complete a$$.
As far as getting a look, go ahead and send in a resume to the CP, regardless of what the web site says. The worse they can do is throw it out (they won't). In the past having too much time or experience would have hurt you, since the theory is that you wouldn't stick around here very long. Ryan does all the hiring decisions but he's only been our CP since summer, so I don't know what his thoughts are on it. Again, you won't know if you don't apply.
mbw, if there is an interview, it's a short one over the phone, very casual, just trying to get to know you. There's no face-to-face like you would get at an airline. If you get a call, it's to see if you're still interested and probably to offer you a class. The only way to blow it is if you come across as a complete idiot or worse, a complete a$$.
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YaMama
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Mostly North Carolina, but check their website for the complete list of domiciles - www.ramairfreight.com
Mins are 135 IFR - ME time doesn't matter (in fact may even hurt your chances according to the employment FAQ on the website). With 200 multi and jet time it seems like you might be in line for a better job than freight dog (ie regional).
Mins are 135 IFR - ME time doesn't matter (in fact may even hurt your chances according to the employment FAQ on the website). With 200 multi and jet time it seems like you might be in line for a better job than freight dog (ie regional).
limodriver1
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there is no SIC rides on RAM AIR
Ram airs operations does not require SIC on any airplane , so the person who told you that story, is obviously full of it!
Ram air is good company to work for and build experience, I worked there few years and did not have horror stories to tell.
Usually people who fail are the ones who has stories to tell. It is known that flying freight is not for everyone, some can be a good flight instructor but **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty pilot and one can be a great aviator but awfull flight instructor. Flying freight you need to have bigger balls than flying for regional carrier or similar or even other 135 passenger operator. Been SIC ( second in command) is not more than the person who pulls the gear handle.
Flying freight gives you excellent background for your future aviation career, and the horrow stories you make them up and let them happend. Ram Air is one of the most professional freight company out there and people are respected throughout the aviation industry. Flying small and slow airplanes, with decent equipment is what Ram Air does, maintanence works if you write those things up what is wrong. Pay is decent when you compare it to hours what you work. It is not like airnet who flies throughout the night, ramairs most lines starts around noon and ends way before midnight.
Most of the guys who got fired or let go from ram air , which is the way they like to do it, so it is not in your records , had reason to get fired or (let go) like those future hawker pilots.
Ram air people who gets work done is respected, it is ontime airfreight carrier, and company counts on you as a pilot.
If you dont want to fly single-engine lance or small twins , in weather, or other conditions , you might want to stay away from Ram Air. You do favor for company and yourself. But if you want experience and fast growing time on your logbook. I would say GO FOR IT!
Ram airs operations does not require SIC on any airplane , so the person who told you that story, is obviously full of it!
Ram air is good company to work for and build experience, I worked there few years and did not have horror stories to tell.
Usually people who fail are the ones who has stories to tell. It is known that flying freight is not for everyone, some can be a good flight instructor but **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty pilot and one can be a great aviator but awfull flight instructor. Flying freight you need to have bigger balls than flying for regional carrier or similar or even other 135 passenger operator. Been SIC ( second in command) is not more than the person who pulls the gear handle.
Flying freight gives you excellent background for your future aviation career, and the horrow stories you make them up and let them happend. Ram Air is one of the most professional freight company out there and people are respected throughout the aviation industry. Flying small and slow airplanes, with decent equipment is what Ram Air does, maintanence works if you write those things up what is wrong. Pay is decent when you compare it to hours what you work. It is not like airnet who flies throughout the night, ramairs most lines starts around noon and ends way before midnight.
Most of the guys who got fired or let go from ram air , which is the way they like to do it, so it is not in your records , had reason to get fired or (let go) like those future hawker pilots.
Ram air people who gets work done is respected, it is ontime airfreight carrier, and company counts on you as a pilot.
If you dont want to fly single-engine lance or small twins , in weather, or other conditions , you might want to stay away from Ram Air. You do favor for company and yourself. But if you want experience and fast growing time on your logbook. I would say GO FOR IT!
upndsky
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limodriver1, I think icefr8dawg was saying the guy failed his SIC check ride at the company in NJ, after he was let go from Ram. Probably a good thing. If he's that bad a pilot, he probably would have killed himself at Ram.
mbw, the Lances are straight-wing, normally-aspirated. The only turbos we have are the Senecas and the C-402s.
Routes depend on the run. Most leave in the early afternoon and get back between 7 and 10 p.m. and are around 3 to 5 legs. They are scheduled so that there is little or no waiting between legs. That all depends on whether the courier are on time, of course. Other runs have several hours of down time in them. Some pilots like those runs because they use the down time to take online college courses. Runs are awarded on seniority so when you first hit the line, you'll get what's left.
mbw, the Lances are straight-wing, normally-aspirated. The only turbos we have are the Senecas and the C-402s.
Routes depend on the run. Most leave in the early afternoon and get back between 7 and 10 p.m. and are around 3 to 5 legs. They are scheduled so that there is little or no waiting between legs. That all depends on whether the courier are on time, of course. Other runs have several hours of down time in them. Some pilots like those runs because they use the down time to take online college courses. Runs are awarded on seniority so when you first hit the line, you'll get what's left.
icefr8dawg
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upndsky, you got it right. This guy failed a .297 or .299 ride at RAM, came to fly with us, was not allowed to sit left seat, had to leave and then falsified his logbook which came around to bite him quickly when his next job did a basic background check. We had a director of training that came from RAM, and before that from the flight school full of europeans (Northeast I think it's called) He was a real stand up guy and great pilot, always defended the line pilots.
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pay scale
I have to say, I didn't think the pay was that bad at Ram Air... I'm making less flying for Horizon Air now. The schedule was great too! Only job I ever had that I got weekends and holidays off. Won't see that again in the next few years. Probably some of the most fun flying I've done too. The airlines are a different world...
I have to say, I didn't think the pay was that bad at Ram Air... I'm making less flying for Horizon Air now. The schedule was great too! Only job I ever had that I got weekends and holidays off. Won't see that again in the next few years. Probably some of the most fun flying I've done too. The airlines are a different world...
upndsky
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Hey pumpkinpony, have you hit the line yet at Horizon? I hope they're treating you well.
To expand on her post, runs pay between $60 to $90 per day. You get a 10% raise at six months and another 10% over base at 12 months (base + 20%). After two years, you get paid $90 + 20% regardless of what the run would normally pay.
Most, if not all, runs based outside of RDU pay $90. Pumpkinpony was RIC-based. If you get RDU, plan on making $60. The good thing is that most RDU runs are short so it's possible to work a second job in the mornings, which is what some of our pilots do.
Pay has always been a contentious issue here, especially when hiring elsewhere stopped and it looked like some of us might be here for a while. Now that things are moving again, pay may not be that big of a deal. I'll also add that maintenance here is very good (if you write it up, it'll get fixed no questions asked) and that management doesn't pressure pilots. There are other outfits like us that may pay a few dollars more, but they also ask their pilots to take much bigger risks. We've been in business for more than 20 years (a remarkable feat in the freight world) and have had only one fatality. That one was attributed to pilot error. The record speaks for itself.
To expand on her post, runs pay between $60 to $90 per day. You get a 10% raise at six months and another 10% over base at 12 months (base + 20%). After two years, you get paid $90 + 20% regardless of what the run would normally pay.
Most, if not all, runs based outside of RDU pay $90. Pumpkinpony was RIC-based. If you get RDU, plan on making $60. The good thing is that most RDU runs are short so it's possible to work a second job in the mornings, which is what some of our pilots do.
Pay has always been a contentious issue here, especially when hiring elsewhere stopped and it looked like some of us might be here for a while. Now that things are moving again, pay may not be that big of a deal. I'll also add that maintenance here is very good (if you write it up, it'll get fixed no questions asked) and that management doesn't pressure pilots. There are other outfits like us that may pay a few dollars more, but they also ask their pilots to take much bigger risks. We've been in business for more than 20 years (a remarkable feat in the freight world) and have had only one fatality. That one was attributed to pilot error. The record speaks for itself.
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