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General Lee

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American Bar Association
Section of Labor & Employment Law
RAILWAY AND AIRLINE LABOR LAW COMMITTEE
2003 MIDWINTER MEETING

PRESERVING THE RIGHT TO STRIKE AFTER SECTION 1113
REJECTION
A. Overview of the Railway Labor Act and the Right to Strike
Like their economic fates, the rights and obligations of employers and
employees are bound up together. The employees’ right to strike is closely
connected to the employer’s right to engage in self-help. Indeed, the whole
fabric of the RLA is permeated with a principle of mutuality. As the Supreme
Court has noted, “if the carrier is free… [to] resort to self-help, the union
cannot be expected to hold back its own economic weapons.”
B. Section 6, the Status Quo, and Post-Exhaustion Limits
The parties’ respective rights are fairly clear if rejection is deemed to
trigger the Section 6 process of negotiations. Neither the employees nor the
employer would be permitted to engage in self-help until the process was
exhausted. Similarly, if rejection is equated with Section 6 exhaustion, it is
equally clear that the employees would be able to strike in response to the
employer’s unilateral action.
75 Thus, if the employer’s right to implement terms
is defined with reference to Section 6, there is little difficulty in determining the
scope of the union’s right to strike.
C. Section 2(First) Jurisprudence and the Right to Strike
The existence of this right is less clear, of course, if the parties’
obligations are defined solely with reference to the independent Section 2(First)
duty. It is clear that some violations of Section 2(First) justify anti-strike
injunctions.
76 Moreover, some courts have suggested that, in certain
situations, strikes themselves may constitute violations of Section 2(First).
While employee strikes should – in the absence of the Section 6 status quo
obligation – never violate Section 2(First)
per se, at least one court seems to
believe the contrary.
1. Atlantic Coast Airlines: The Worst Case Scenario
The parties to the Atlantic Coast77 controversy (described above) had
engaged in approximately one year of negotiations, during which the union
sought to enjoin the company from unilaterally modifying the terms of
employment. After the Second Circuit denied that injunction on the basis of
Williams, the employees filed a declaratory judgement action to establish their
right to engage in corresponding self-help,
e.g., to strike.
Over a vigorous dissent, the Second Circuit held that, absent exhaustion
of the Section 6 procedures or employer bad faith, Section 2(First) prohibited
the right to strike completely.
78 The Second Circuit began its opinion by
asserting that “the fact that the status quo provisions may not be applicable in
certain situations… does not negate the obligation of the parties to exert every
reasonable effort to resolve disputes.” It then concluded
without citing any
authority
, that “a strike is inconsistent with the Union’s duty to negotiate in
good faith… in the absence of a finding of bad faith on the part of the
employer.”
Even if this decision were otherwise defensible, it fails to provide any sort
of end game for the employees’ impotence. Absent bad faith, they would never
be allowed to strike before entering into an initial collective bargaining
agreement. This is simply not how the Railway Labor Act is structured. At
most, the statute is designed to prevent strikes by delaying them – not by
prohibiting them outright.
80 The Atlantic Coast decision is wrong to suggest
otherwise.
The Second Circuit’s own statements make it clear that it fundamentally
misunderstood the purpose of Section 2(First), let alone the RLA as a whole.
The court ended its opinion with yet another example of judicial inattention,
stating that:
“Though we are sympathetic to the Union’s argument
that it is in a relatively powerless s position under the
circumstances to effectively oppose or influence the
Airline’s decision to make unilateral changes not
prohibited by the RLA in the absence of a CBA, and in
the absence of bad faith by the Airline, the concept of
fairness alone will not permit the Union to do what it
is statutorily prohibited from doing.”
Thus, the court suggests that the unfortunate consequence of its
decisions is the union’s lack of power to prevent unilateral changes. The real
problem, however, is that the court’s formulation of Section 2(First) –
permitting unilateral changes and prohibiting the union from doing anything
about it – would work to prevent any collective bargaining agreement at all. Yet
the promotion of such agreements is the whole point of Section 2(First), which
expressly provides a duty to “make and maintain agreements.”
Under Atlantic Coast, the employer would be free to implement whatever
terms of employment it likes, and the
only duty it would have under the RLA
would be to “treat with” its employees, and to refrain from discriminating
against organizing activity. In light of the unmistakable burdens of the RLA
after an agreement is reached, Atlantic Coast provides employers with
staggering economic incentives to avoid a contract for as long as possible.
Absent the right to strike, the employees would be powerless to compel a
contrary result.
To justify this decision, the Second Circuit played a neat trick with the
language of Section 2(First). That provision reads:
It shall be the duty of all carriers, their officers, agents
and employees to exert every reasonable effort to make
and maintain agreements concerning rates of pay,
rules and working conditions, and to settle all
disputes, whether arising out of the application of
such agreements or otherwise, in order to avoid any
interruption to commerce or the operation of any
carrier growing out of any dispute between the carrier
and the employees thereof.
82
The Second Circuit re-wrote the statute to state the Section 2(First)
obligation as a duty: To make “every reasonable effort” to reach agreement
and to avoid interruption to “the operation of the
carrier.”
Thus, the Second Circuit took a duty to “make agreements for the
purpose of avoiding interruptions in commerce” and turned it into a duty to
“avoid interruptions in commerce.” If that were the Section 2(First) duty,
Atlantic Coast makes sense. Employers may unilaterally implement terms of
employment because, regardless of the effect on negotiations, commerce will
never be interrupted. Employees, however, can do nothing, because anything
they do would necessarily disrupt operations.
Under this logic, employees should never be able to strike, even after
Section 6 exhaustion. However, because the Second Circuit was forced to
recognize the existence of the post-exhaustion right to strike, it distinguished
post-exhaustion decisions because they “involved a CBA.” Then, without more,
the court simply concluded that the union had no right to strike.
2. Distinguishing Atlantic Coast
For the reasons described above, it seems unlikely that the Atlantic
Coast approach will be adopted by other courts, and, eventually, it will
probably be overruled even in the Second Circuit. However, because the
Atlantic Coast decision involved only the post-certification initial collective
bargaining relationship, it may be distinguished on that ground. As noted
above, the post-rejection relationship is unique, because the parties (1) have a
history of collective bargaining, (2) have a history of collective bargaining
agreements, and (3) have recently bargained to impasse over the employer’s
new proposals. Furthermore, the post-rejection employer has brought about
this situation unilaterally – by unilaterally rejecting the contract.


 
continued......

3. The Right to Strike Preserved
Section 2(First) does not prohibit strikes – it like the other provisions of
the RLA, merely intends to prevent them by delaying them. Beyond the Second
Circuit, no court has ever even suggested as much (and even that court noted
that it was a case of first impression). The only decisions limiting the right to
strike either involved bad faith,
84 the status quo obligation,85 or simply limited
the timing
86 or manner of an otherwise valid strike. Thus, beyond Atlantic
Coast, nothing in the Railway Labor Act or the resulting jurisprudence
precludes employee strikes
per se, particularly where employer’s right to self
help is also retained (i.e., the Section 6 status quo obligations do not apply).
In fact, the right to strike has never even been challenged in the postrejection
context. For example, the Continental Airlines bankruptcy prompted
an immediate strike after the company unilaterally implemented new terms of
employment.
87 While the Fifth Circuit did conclude that the strike might limit
the amount of back pay available under claims for contract rejection, nowhere
did the court (or even the employer) suggest that strike itself was prohibited.
Similarly, the employees of Eastern Airlines initiated a strike soon after the
employer unilaterally modified working conditions.
88 That strike – which
involved numerous allegations of violence and similar illegal conduct – was
expressly described as legal. Indeed, the Court even refused to issue an
injunction against the illegal strike activity, because it concluded that the
Norris-LaGuardia Act prohibited such an injunction before the employer had
made sufficient efforts to resolve the conflict voluntarily.
D. The Right to Strike and The Automatic Stay Provisions of the
Bankruptcy Code
Thus, it is quite likely that, unless the employer is precluded from
unilaterally implementing new terms of employment, the employees will have
the right to strike under the RLA. For that reason, it is possible that a carrier
would argue that the “automatic stay” provisions of Section 362 of the
Bankruptcy Code apply to striking employees. To date, this argument has
failed to convince the Courts of Appeals in the NLRA context – and absent a
Section 2(First) prohibition, there is no reason to believe that the RLA context
is any different.
E. Conclusion: The Right to Strike Preserved
When it enacted Section 1113, Congress relieved employers of their
Section 6 responsibilities – it provided employers with a shortcut to unilateral
implementation. While nothing explicit was directed towards the right to
strike, it seems almost absurd to suggest that Congress intended to (1) relieve
employers of their responsibilities under an otherwise valid collective
bargaining agreement, (2) permit debtors to unilaterally implement terms of
employment without first adhering to Section 2(First) and Section 6, while at
the same time (3) compelling employees to accept the employer’s proposals and
(4) prohibiting the peaceful exercise of their right to strike without resorting to
the RLA procedures they were denied in the first place.








Judge Prudy (our ex judge) asked our CFO on the stand "What does the RLA have to do with this?" He didn't have an answer, and she also told him the Federal Courts would not get involved. (probably due to Norris-LaGuardia Act). It's all about the pressure.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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There is a provision allowing for an injunction against a strike if an airline would be irreperably damaged by the strike (or a strike was causing irreperable damage, I don't remember).

This is going to be interesting, but I think Delta will blink.

I've heard both sides of this legal argument and my take on it is that there is a full right to strike if a CBA is voided.
 
from the Supreme Court

As the Supreme
Court has noted, “if the carrier is free… [to] resort to self-help, the union
cannot be expected to hold back its own economic weapons.”


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
radarlove said:
There is a provision allowing for an injunction against a strike if an airline would be irreperably damaged by the strike (or a strike was causing irreperable damage, I don't remember).

This is going to be interesting, but I think Delta will blink.

I've heard both sides of this legal argument and my take on it is that there is a full right to strike if a CBA is voided.

The Federal Courts won't hear the injunction, thanks to the Norris LaGuardia Act. Even our last BK judge--Prudy--said so. Can a local GA judge do anything? I would like to see that. Without a contract, we are NOT obligated to work. Indentured Servitude doesn't exist much anymore, except in the regional airlines.


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another good quote from above

"Similarly, if rejection is equated with Section 6 exhaustion, it is
equally clear that the employees would be able to strike in response to the
employer’s unilateral action."


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radarlove said:
There is a provision allowing for an injunction against a strike if an airline would be irreperably damaged by the strike (or a strike was causing irreperable damage, I don't remember).

Judge Beatty has stated that the court would not have jurisdiction to enjoin a pilot strike if the contract were rejected. Also, in the 2nd Circuit, a judicial order granting a motion to reject was overturned when the court failed to consider the effect of a strike on the estate. When granting a motion to reject the court must consider the damage a strike would cause and the balance of equities must favor the decision. Clearly if a contract rejection would lead to a devastating strike and liquidation, the balance of equities doesn't favor rejection in order save less than 1% of revenue, particularly when the company's performance is well ahead of plan already.
 
I agree.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
FDJ2 said:
Judge Beatty has stated that the court would not have jurisdiction to enjoin a pilot strike if the contract were rejected. Also, in the 2nd Circuit, a judicial order granting a motion to reject was overturned when the court failed to consider the effect of a strike on the estate. When granting a motion to reject the court must consider the damage a strike would cause and the balance of equities must favor the decision. Clearly if a contract rejection would lead to a devastating strike and liquidation, the balance of equities doesn't favor rejection in order save less than 1% of revenue, particularly when the company's performance is well ahead of plan already.

Does the same reasoning apply even though it is an arbitration panel instead of the bankcruptcy court?
 
When threatened with an 1113c of our own, we (ATA) were told by ALPA National that we had no leg to stand on as far as striking goes.

That isn't to say I agree with them, I think if the contract is thrown out, then the flight crews should walk.

Hang tough.
 
wmuflyguy said:
Does the same reasoning apply even though it is an arbitration panel instead of the bankcruptcy court?

Yes. The Panel will only decide on the issue of rejection, both the company and union reserved all rights following that decision, whatever it may be.
 
General Lee said:
The Federal Courts won't hear the injunction, thanks to the Norris LaGuardia Act. Even our last BK judge--Prudy--said so. Can a local GA judge do anything? I would like to see that. Without a contract, we are NOT obligated to work. Indentured Servitude doesn't exist much anymore, except in the regional airlines.


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dont you mean "commuter airlines"? ;)





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The real question is, "Is DALPA (or NWALPA) willing to sacrifice their careers to test out the law?" The Supreme Court has not ruled on any such case, so the next question is ALPA national willing to use their resources to push appeals all the way to the SC?

I still believe that DALPA and NWALPA will settle somewhere in the 11th hour and we'll never know.

I also believe that a BK judge has the right to enjoin a union from a strike while the BK company is under court protection. After the company emerges is a whole other ballgame, and that's when it could get wild.
 
HalinTexas said:
The real question is, "Is DALPA (or NWALPA) willing to sacrifice their careers to test out the law?" The Supreme Court has not ruled on any such case, so the next question is ALPA national willing to use their resources to push appeals all the way to the SC?

I still believe that DALPA and NWALPA will settle somewhere in the 11th hour and we'll never know.

I also believe that a BK judge has the right to enjoin a union from a strike while the BK company is under court protection. After the company emerges is a whole other ballgame, and that's when it could get wild.

Was our last judge--Judge Prudy--lying? She told our CFO (I have the transcripts if you need to look at it) that the Federal Courts would NOT get involved, and then asked him what the RLA had to do with this case? He had no answer. Did she know what she was talking about?


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She may not have been lying, she could have just been wrong. Legal precedent is nothing more than what the last group of judges decided, take it to another group of judges at another time and you might get a different result. Most of the precedents involed go back a long way, to a time where the political environment was much more pro labor/ anti-big business. Consider this, Unions esentially are labor cartels engaging in anti-competitive behavior. This same behavior by any other group would be called extortion and racketeering. Unions are specifically exempted from the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, but a challenge under 14th amendment equal protection grounds could pull the rug out from unions. A strike could become an illegal anti-competitive act prosecutable under RICO. If you think this is far fetched, the last challenge was decided by a 5-4 majority (Hunt v. Crumboch 1945). The composition of the Supreme Court shifted recently in a direction not likely to favor labor. You seem to put an awful lot of faith in judges, you may be disappointed.
 
Jon Rivoli said:
She may not have been lying, she could have just been wrong. Legal precedent is nothing more than what the last group of judges decided, take it to another group of judges at another time and you might get a different result. Most of the precedents involed go back a long way, to a time where the political environment was much more pro labor/ anti-big business. Consider this, Unions esentially are labor cartels engaging in anti-competitive behavior. This same behavior by any other group would be called extortion and racketeering. Unions are specifically exempted from the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, but a challenge under 14th amendment equal protection grounds could pull the rug out from unions. A strike could become an illegal anti-competitive act prosecutable under RICO. If you think this is far fetched, the last challenge was decided by a 5-4 majority (Hunt v. Crumboch 1945). The composition of the Supreme Court shifted recently in a direction not likely to favor labor. You seem to put an awful lot of faith in judges, you may be disappointed.

Some of that sounds like RJDC rhetoric. I would love to see you confront her with those examples. You would be shot down faster than the DL lawyer. What if all of the FOs just quit in one day? How long would DL survive? Could the courts make us all go back to work? Is that indentured servitude? What will you do Jon if ASA folds along with DL? Law school sounds right for you.


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General Lee said:
Was our last judge--Judge Prudy--lying? She told our CFO (I have the transcripts if you need to look at it) that the Federal Courts would NOT get involved, and then asked him what the RLA had to do with this case? He had no answer. Did she know what she was talking about?


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She can only speak for her court and make opinions as to what the law says. No judge makes the law, unless they're the 9th circuit.

The fact that the lawyer "had no answer" doesn't mean that doesn't have one, or that there isn't one. It might have been smart NOT to answer.
 
RJDC? No, just concerned about my future and trying to get a handle what might happen after the 15th. I don't think anyone knows. One possibility is that the deadline gets extended and nothing happens, or there could be a strike. If there is a strike, some judge somewhere (Atlanta traffic court?) could issue an injunction, ALPA would appeal and it could end up in the Supreme Court, where 5 out of 9 justices could decide that a strike that would put the company out of business is not a good idea, render a decision and the law would be changed. Sure you could quit, you could all quit, but a strike would be an illegal job action and people could go to jail. I think we ALL hope it doesn't go that far. As for law school, nope. I have too much self respect. Investment banking would suit me better. I SKYW drops below $25 by Friday I'm buying 100 shares. I believe something will be worked out and you and I will still have jobs.
 
Could the courts make us all go back to work? Is that indentured servitude?

Yes, they've done it before. It's not indentured servitude, because you can always resign, and you're being paid while you're forced back to work.

Labor has also ignored judges orders, as well, but the courts don't really bother trying to collect any remedy.

Read between the lines. Judges play their hands frequently. The judge(s) in this case may not believe the company has made a good case. On the other hand, they may not say anything in the hopes some deal gets made without their input. No judge, of quality, wants to be overturned on appeal.

All of this doesn't mean that DALPA shouldn't fight. It means keep your expectations realistic, and be ready to be unemployed and paying ALPA more money to fight your fight. (BTW, don't come to me for an assessment. I think ALPA sucks.) Ask Herndon for paycuts to fight your fight.
 
HalinTexas said:
She can only speak for her court and make opinions as to what the law says. No judge makes the law, unless they're the 9th circuit.

The fact that the lawyer "had no answer" doesn't mean that doesn't have one, or that there isn't one. It might have been smart NOT to answer.

The CFO had no answer. And, if all the FOs resigned, then the courts could not order us all to return. That doesn't make sense. And, thanks for the assement remark. I am glad I was willing to stick up for you, too.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
The CFO had no answer. And, if all the FOs resigned, then the courts could not order us all to return. That doesn't make sense. And, thanks for the assement remark. I am glad I was willing to stick up for you, too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

ALPA sold us out. They didn't want to fight for U or UAL, and they d@amn well didn't want little ol' ATA making more money than UAL. Everyone knows that U, UAL and DAL controls ALPA. Everyone else is "revenue stream." ALPA doesn't want to fight. Otherwise they would have fought at U and UAL. ALPA has a war chest they don't even want to touch. After they've exhausted it fighting DAL's and NWA's appeals, should it even get that far (it won't), and taken 30,40 or 50% pay cuts, trimmed the ALPA budget, then they can ask me. ATAALPA hit us up in 2003 for a "merger assessment" of $500 bucks. I knew it was a waste then, and it's still sitting around earning 2%. No mergers in sight.

Now that ATA is using DAL's training facility, exclusively, I've noticed that DAL employees don't acknowledge our presence much. Back to the "lets ignore them maybe they'll go away" philosophy. I'm sure even with your concessions, should you decide to take them (and you will), you'll still make more than us.

Drop the "holier than thou" cr@p. Get real. DALALPA's fight is no different than any other carriers. You're not God's pilots; you're just another bankrupt carrier.
 
I don't know about holier than thou, but after Delta who's left? Maybe ALPA has chosen to make a stand this time because if they don't they may have a hard time continuing to justify their existence. In the past perhaps they thought they should pick their battles, but now this is the last battle.
 
HalinTexas said:
ALPA sold us out. They didn't want to fight for U or UAL, and they d@amn well didn't want little ol' ATA making more money than UAL. Everyone knows that U, UAL and DAL controls ALPA. Everyone else is "revenue stream." ALPA doesn't want to fight. Otherwise they would have fought at U and UAL. ALPA has a war chest they don't even want to touch. After they've exhausted it fighting DAL's and NWA's appeals, should it even get that far (it won't), and taken 30,40 or 50% pay cuts, trimmed the ALPA budget, then they can ask me. ATAALPA hit us up in 2003 for a "merger assessment" of $500 bucks. I knew it was a waste then, and it's still sitting around earning 2%. No mergers in sight.

Now that ATA is using DAL's training facility, exclusively, I've noticed that DAL employees don't acknowledge our presence much. Back to the "lets ignore them maybe they'll go away" philosophy. I'm sure even with your concessions, should you decide to take them (and you will), you'll still make more than us.

Drop the "holier than thou" cr@p. Get real. DALALPA's fight is no different than any other carriers. You're not God's pilots; you're just another bankrupt carrier.


Hollier than thou? Come on. Maybe ALPA and DALPA just don't want us to work without a contract? We are under attack, and we will fight and win, or all of us lose. We know the stakes. I am sorry if you are not given a pat on the back at our facilities in ATL, but not a lot of people are very happy there right now. And, we won't take any concessions that will be long term BAD for us. Nope. We had 2300 leave already, and they were the key to management's terror campaign. We now are a different demographic, and we want different things. Count on it.


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General Lee said:
Hollier than thou? Come on. Maybe ALPA and DALPA just don't want us to work without a contract? We are under attack, and we will fight and win, or all of us lose. We know the stakes. I am sorry if you are not given a pat on the back at our facilities in ATL, but not a lot of people are very happy there right now. And, we won't take any concessions that will be long term BAD for us. Nope. We had 2300 leave already, and they were the key to management's terror campaign. We now are a different demographic, and we want different things. Count on it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

GL;

The real terror campaign was DALPA denying there was an impending financial disaster for nearly three years after 9/11. All because the now departed seniors wanted to lock in the largest retirement possible. You and your contemporaries supported that, as well as supporting sacrificing the furloughees.

Now you are trying to play catch-up to reposition yourselves as downtrodden, union loyalists with your "tough" strike rhetoric. What a joke. You hypocrites will scr*w anyone, anytime as long as it meets your financial needs.

As you were saying back about 6 weeks ago, this is all about positioning, there will never be a strike.
 
DaveGriffin said:
GL;

The real terror campaign was DALPA denying there was an impending financial disaster for nearly three years after 9/11. All because the now departed seniors wanted to lock in the largest retirement possible. You and your contemporaries supported that, as well as supporting sacrificing the furloughees.

Now you are trying to play catch-up to reposition yourselves as downtrodden, union loyalists with your "tough" strike rhetoric. What a joke. You hypocrites will scr*w anyone, anytime as long as it meets your financial needs.

As you were saying back about 6 weeks ago, this is all about positioning, there will never be a strike.

Welcome back Dave, I haven't seen you on this board for awhile. Good for you. Anyway, the three years of "great pay" was extended by the management SERP program, which blew away any type of trust that was left. We knew 9-11 and the resulting downturn was hurting us, but giving was not in our nature after learning about the SERP. Now, you can't blame us for everything, since we didn't sell the fuel hedges, underestimate USAir and their resolve to stick around, park all of the MD11s early and then lose out that next Summer on INTL traffic that was still there in full, create Song that was good for some markets---but not others (like BDL to PBI)--yet keeping those planes there.....etc etc. Blaming us for everything and this downfall is wrong, and you know it.

As far as the tough union rhetoric, I have never seen it this bad. We honestly have a large group of really pi$$ed off pilots. Whether or not you believe that doesn't concern me, but it is true. All of those guys you thought sold you out are actually gone now, and the rest of us won't fly without a contract. Flying without a contract is worse than flying with what we have now, and we won't do it.

As far as never having a strike, that would be a good scenario. I hope we don't. But, we won't fly without a contract, and that is a fact. A TA will probably be thrown at us, and then we will have to look at that. One thing is for sure, nobody will give DL exit financing WITHOUT a pilot deal. Also, the creditors and management will NOT get huge sums of money (from a new stock offering---like UAL) if we strike. I would say we have a strong hand here, and we are not obligated to work without a contract. Indentured Servitude ended LONG AGO in Georgia. Have a great one.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Can President Bush step in? Can he make both parties get back to negotiating table? I think he can but I am not really sure. UBA757
 

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