Questions Regarding New Fleet Types for NJA in 2008

[johnsonrod]

I've been told a very similar story regarding the 7X's in Europe and not here in the States.

Sure, that makes sense, but NJE is also ordering a lot of Hawkers (big number of 4000s and 750/900s) like NJA. I think what Six is saying is that given NJA's current stable of Falcon 2000s (including some newer versions with the Easy cockpit), why not also add the 7Xs off the bat? Would the 7X compete with NJI aircraft? The fact that NJE orders a bunch of US-made Hawkers as well as 7Xs while NJA orders a bunch of Hawkers and no 7Xs (as of yet) is probably what is confusing. Plus, it's all run by the same parent company - right? Why not also include some 7Xs for the US operation (a bigger bulk order with discounts)?

I am sure politics plays a role but a bigger order for 7Xs by the parent company would probably have been welcome in France too.

 

[Jafo73]

Sure, that makes sense, but NJE is also ordering a lot of Hawkers (big number of 4000s and 750/900s) like NJA. I think what Six is saying is that given NJA's current stable of Falcon 2000s (including some newer versions with the Easy cockpit), why not also add the 7Xs off the bat? Would the 7X compete with NJI aircraft? The fact that NJE orders a bunch of US-made Hawkers as well as 7Xs while NJA orders a bunch of Hawkers and no 7Xs (as of yet) is probably what is confusing. Plus, it's all run by the same parent company - right? Why not also include some 7Xs for the US operation (a bigger bulk order with discounts)?

I am sure politics plays a role but a bigger order for 7Xs by the parent company would probably have been welcome in France too.

Not a flame, but what European company makes aircraft comparable to the Hawkers? And maybe they don't realize they aren't made by the British any more....

 

[skyismyoffice]

With a considerable rate of attrition.

Why the attrition?

 

[jonjuan]

Why the attrition?

Gotta do something with sixty-five 9-13 year old Ultras, 15CXs, , 20 800xps, 5 G-IVSPs with 9,000+ hours on airframes. Not to mention all the other dozens of other aircraft over 10 years of age. They tend to get a little cranky when awakened in the AM.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Retirements are happening. I have personally flown 2 last flights for 2 of our frames in the last 2 tours.

 

[captain dad]

Why the attrition?

Attrition does happen to both aircraft and pilots. We rotate A/C all the time. The Ultra fleet is probably the oldest but is still like new compared to say NWA DC-9 fleet. They are slowly being sold off / retired.

Also pilots do leave and retire. We have a lot of older pilots that came here after their airline careers. They do quit at some point. Plus some do decide to leave. Lately (2007) it has been relatively junior pilots and prior to the new contract.

Attrition last year was just under 100 pilots and has ranged as high as 130 or so in past years from what I have been told. So there is always some movement.

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[gutshotdraw]

We've been told 5-6 airframes in 2008, mostly G-450's and a couple 550's.

Don't hold your breath on 7x's coming to NJA. My guess is they'll deliver only to NJE until NJA/NJI issue is completely settled (2010-2011).

 

[ozpilot]

Retirements are happening. I have personally flown 2 last flights for 2 of our frames in the last 2 tours.

Hmmm not something I'd be bragging about. Sounds like you need to review your landing technique