Questions for NJ Crews

[I-R-DXR]

One of the reasons I joined this board was to find some answers and to see the "other" side of the story. Some have been answered others not. This is by NO means a flame or troll post. These are question's that I have or have heard in the casino. Thank you for your time.

First Im not going to ask what the pay amount you are looking for. Shouldn't show your hand sort of speak.​

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1.(a)Is it true you are asking for more than double your current wage?​

1.(b) If so has it ever been done by a union before?

2. The company offered an auditor - you declined. Did you counter with a different auditor?​

3. If you are released to self help (june24 I think) do you have a strike vote then or after the 30 day cooling off period?​

4. How many or what percentage do you need to approve a strike?​

5. Why not binding arbitration? (for the record Im clueless if the company would agree either)
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6. Is your requested pay based of Frac, Corp, or Vendor?​

I hope you don't choose the flame me here. These are honest questions A LOT of folks are asking. It pretty much goes without saying I have no experience with unions so any help here would be appreciated.​

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[El Chupacabra]

As Ross Perot said,

"When all you have is a penny all it takes is another penny to double it."

1st Year CS Captain. 64K

1st year NJ Captain 37K


64/37 = 1.73 Takes a 73% raise to match. Thats getting close to double.

The CS pilot is flying a CJ. Not a X or a Falcon 2000.

NBAA Falcon 2000 ave about 120K (This is also about starting pay for NJE Falcon)

NJ 6th yr F2000 Captain 64K

120/64 = 1.88 Will take 88% increase to match.

Imagine you were working for 55% of what your friends earn doing the same work someplace else... What would you ask for knowing its what you'll have to live with (if history is any indication) for another 7 yrs before a renegotiated pay will take effect?

 

[CapnVegetto]

One of the reasons I joined this board was to find some answers and to see the "other" side of the story. Some have been answered others not. This is by NO means a flame or troll post. These are question's that I have or have heard in the casino. Thank you for your time.

First Im not going to ask what the pay amount you are looking for. Shouldn't show your hand sort of speak.​

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

1.(a)Is it true you are asking for more than double your current wage?​

1.(b) If so has it ever been done by a union before?

2. The company offered an auditor - you declined. Did you counter with a different auditor?​

3. If you are released to self help (june24 I think) do you have a strike vote then or after the 30 day cooling off period?​

4. How many or what percentage do you need to approve a strike?​

5. Why not binding arbitration? (for the record Im clueless if the company would agree either)
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6. Is your requested pay based of Frac, Corp, or Vendor?​

I hope you don't choose the flame me here. These are honest questions A LOT of folks are asking. It pretty much goes without saying I have no experience with unions so any help here would be appreciated.​

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I don't work at NJA, so any NJA guys can correct me or flame me....

1. (a) Maybe. They DESERVE double their current wage for the amount of hours they work. It's about industry average.

(b) I don't know.

2. Don't know

3. Don't know.

4. Don't know.

5. Binding arbitration???? An arbitrator just a$$ f--ked the Alaska Airlines pilot group, 26% (average) paycut, significantly worse work rules. They completely bought into management's bulls--t and gave them almost EXACTLY what they asked.

6. All 3. NBAA industry average is what corp/frac guys like to go by. For that type equipment NJA pilots, on average, should be making about twice what they're making now. The only group that's even close is the CE-560 captains making about $60K a year. That's about right. But......that's something like 5 or 6 year pay and the 560 is a junior aircraft.

 

[I-R-DXR]

Thanks for the respones so far.

Just to make sure Im not misunderstood here. Question #1 is NOT to ask Pilot worth. Anyway El Chup answered that one for me - thanks.

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[El Chupacabra]

Actually Capn V answered. What we are asking is based on NBAA pay.

If NBAA/NJA pay is double? I do not know.


Some news report:

Buffett said he is holding about $45 billion in cash with no major acquisitions in sight, but said Berkshire is poised to announce one acquisition in the insurance field that will be worth nearly $1 billion.

"We'd love to have one in the $5 billion to $10 billion range," Buffett said. "At the moment we've got more money than brains, and we hope to do something about that."

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[Fozzy]

"2. The company offered an auditor - you declined. Did you counter with a different auditor?"

No, the company offered Kit Darby. And I don't want to go off on that.............. Regardless, I don't care what any audior says. Pay us our worth, period. I don't need a third party to tell me what they "think".

 

[El Chupacabra]

2. The company offered an auditor - you declined. Did you counter with a different auditor?"



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What was wrong with the NBAA salary survey? NetJets is an NBAA member.

"There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who cannot." -- Warren Buffet

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I think anybody who buys the idea that Charter Flights cost $3 for every $1 we collect from the owners in revenue ... they might belong to the group who cannot. How can you possibly lend any credibility to the company response to 6S after reading that?

 

[IFlyOU]

i work for netjets as a desk jockey

i get 3%-5% pay raise each year (about the same as inflation)

pilots get 7%-12%

i'd love to double my income

will it happen? no

am i happy? yes

do i feel i'm being treated fairly? yes

do i love my job? yes

last week i was on a ferry to PDK from CMH... (my sister had a baby and i was on my way to see the newest hell-raiser in the family). the crew had a 0001L show and scheduling was working them to almost 14 hours. We were late departing due to some MEL's to PDK, we were super late, the crew had me in the cockpit to keep them awake (i told a lot of good jokes), the crew was hungry, crew food didn't show in PDK, and when we got there, the PAX were super pissed we were late.

I wish everyone in the company had your perspective...

I do hold a tremendous amount of respect for you guys from what i see you guys go thru every day. you are all very professional with your job and with the PAX...

regardless, someone will always be pissed off, agreement or no...

i was instructing as a CFI for a few years... but i got out to re-evaluate my career and my future... i didn't want to see myself as an underpaid fork lift driver... because that's how i felt.

it was hard to give up what i loved to do... but it was worth it. stability is very important to me... and i know all of you guys knew what you were getting yourselves into when you decided to fly for a living.

you love to fly... but understand that this is just the nature of the beast.

we have a wonderful company. we really do. tens of thousands of pilots just like you are jealous of you guys, despite the fact that many of you are so unhappy... think about how secure your jobs are right now. Would you like to go back to united or delta or us airways?

be thankful for what you have... because there are a lot of pilots out there who are doing a lot worse off.

my 2 cents

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[IFlyOU]

anyone also hear the rumor that buffett might sell the company if the whole contract thing gets too out of hand?

the rumor is spreading. i hope it doesn't come to that... we'll all be screwed for sure

 

[IFlyOU]

I think anybody who buys the idea that Charter Flights cost $3 for every $1 we collect from the owners in revenue ... they might belong to the group who cannot. How can you possibly lend any credibility to the company response to 6S after reading that?

the new 91k was designed to make us lose money. the 135 operators lobbied to help slow our growth down, and rightly so... we were becoming an oligopoly.

so why do we sell off so many flights?

a) NJA no longer has a 'core fleet' (aircraft owned by Netjets). Bash Marquis all you want because of that... but not too hard. Who kept us afloat after 9/11 when we were all twiddiling our thumbs listening to the rumors of 'NO MORE GENERAL AVIATION!'? Don't forget that.

b) imagine you're in a hotel room in the middle of nowhere in rest. above you a QS tail breaks with PAX on board and has to land nearby. You're perfectly rested, however we can't ASAP you out there to recover the flight due to the whole 'prespective rest' issue. This explains your 5 hour show-go's.

c) we have a large number of crewmembers, and a large number of aircraft. we can only communicate to each other so much. as crew services, we want you to communite to us. Tell us if you see a perfectly fine airplane across the ramp sitting there to recover a flight instead of sending one 500 miles away. We want to know this information. This will cut back on sellofs.

d) show times are static. passanger bookings are fluid. we can't predict when and where a trip will pop up. we do what we can with the 'hot spares' and 'hot standby' created by the planning and forcasting department. There is a large difference between 'hot spare' and 'hot standby' by the way in case anyone is curious...

so i guess the whole theme of this post is that we're doing the best we can with what we have... and it is getting A LOT BETTER! Hang in there guys!

hope this helps

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