Question for Ferry Pilot

[Horizon]

If you have to move an airplane that is on the other side of the country, how do you get there? And what if you must deliver an aircraft to the other side of the country? How do you get back home? Do you simply fly with an airline to and from these locations???

 

[NW_Pilot]

If you have to move an airplane that is on the other side of the country, how do you get there? And what if you must deliver an aircraft to the other side of the country? How do you get back home? Do you simply fly with an airline to and from these locations???

You have the customer pay for an airline ticket both ways as part of the expenses or it's a long walk!

 

[PacoPollo]

I Usually pay for my ticket, meal and Hotels. Since I only fly GA for fun.

 

[NW_Pilot]

I Usually pay for my ticket, meal and Hotels. Since I only fly GA for fun.

He was asking "Ferry Pilots" people who get paid, Not scum suckers that do it for free and take jobs away from other hard working pilots. If the customer can afford an airplane they can usually afford to pay someone a reasonable amount + their expenses to have their airplane delivered. As I tell them Expenses are Expenses one way or another they will have them either if They do it or if I do it!

I also inform them that expenses may be less if I do it because I do it for a living. I know my way around mountain passes, routing around large restricted areas that are usually hot, Have most the charts already, know where cheap fuel & lodging is, etc.


I have listened to many horror stories from my customers dealing with the free pilot's or ones that will pay expenses they are the ones that end up abandoning the airplane in BFE to return to their days jobs because of a weather delay or mechanical problem and/or they cannot complete the flight in a weekend.

 

[Espalda Mojado]

Haha, some of us can jumpseat for free, why should the customer have to pay for that?

I have 15-17 days off a month, plenty of time to do some fun flying away from the airline life. People will trust their airplane to an experienced pilot with an ATP over someone who is just building time.

When PacoPollo and I open up www.mexicanfly.com, we will create an online network of experienced airline pilots willing to do GA ferry flights for fun, at little or no cost to the customer.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Haha, some of us can jumpseat for free, why should the customer have to pay for that?

I have 15-17 days off a month, plenty of time to do some fun flying away from the airline life. People will trust their airplane to an experienced pilot with an ATP over someone who is just building time.

When PacoPollo and I open up www.mexicanfly.com, we will create an online network of experienced airline pilots willing to do GA ferry flights for fun, at little or no cost to the customer.

Yep, you already have a job flying why don't you just do that job and quit taking jobs away form the low time pilots looking to advance in aviation or like my self do it for a living? If you want to have fun flying GA buy an airplane or go rent one. You would be pissed if someone took your 737 job because they are willing to do it for free, or pretzels and cheese.

 

[Espalda Mojado]

Did somebody say cheese?

 

[PacoPollo]

Haha, some of us can jumpseat for free, why should the customer have to pay for that?

I have 15-17 days off a month, plenty of time to do some fun flying away from the airline life. People will trust their airplane to an experienced pilot with an ATP over someone who is just building time.

When PacoPollo and I open up www.mexicanfly.com, we will create an online network of experienced airline pilots willing to do GA ferry flights for fun, at little or no cost to the customer.

Thats correct. This network is on the works. Espalda and myself are defending the profession. We both have jumseat privileges we can travel the world for free.Why not use this to help some people ferrying airplanes?

 

[FlaZoomie]

Just walk home......

 

[aussiefly]

Thats correct. This network is on the works. Espalda and myself are defending the profession. We both have jumseat privileges we can travel the world for free.Why not use this to help some people ferrying airplanes?

See the problem is your helping aircraft owners whilst not helping your brother commercial pilots. Plus I beleive that ALPA would have something to say about you using the jumpseat for a business function. You are very well aware what it's meant to be used for.

So far you are:
1. undercutting other ferry pilots who do this to make a living
2. contributing to the downward spiral of the industry
3. Taking a job which would primarily be done by low timers and professional ferry pilots.
4. Misusing the jumpseat.

If word gets around as to why you are jumpseating you might find that you start getting denied.

This is just my opinion so take it for what its worth but I really think what your doing stinks.

 

[PacoPollo]

See the problem is your helping aircraft owners whilst not helping your brother commercial pilots. Plus I beleive that ALPA would have something to say about you using the jumpseat for a business function. You are very well aware what it's meant to be used for.

So far you are:
1. undercutting other ferry pilots who do this to make a living
2. contributing to the downward spiral of the industry
3. Taking a job which would primarily be done by low timers and professional ferry pilots.
4. Misusing the jumpseat.

If word gets around as to why you are jumpseating you might find that you start getting denied.

This is just my opinion so take it for what its worth but I really think what your doing stinks.

I wish we had a Union amigo.Im not undercutting no one. Im just trying to survive like you in this business.I got to take care of my family down the border.

 

[PAPA FOX!]

I think Espalda Mojado and PacoPollo the same guy. On every thread one always posts about how proud they are to work for peanuts and right away the other replies in lockstep.

 

[NW_Pilot]

We could always ask a mod to look at the IP's and tell us!! I don’t think the guy is smart enough to use a proxy!!!

 

[NW_Pilot]

This is just my opinion so take it for what its worth but I really think what your doing stinks.

I Agree!!!!

 

[NW_Pilot]

I wish we had a Union amigo.Im not undercutting no one. Im just trying to survive like you in this business.I got to take care of my family down the border.

This comment strengthens my opinion on closing off our borders to immigration of new humans in to this country unless they can be financially responsible and not take jobs form people that have families to support here in the US!!! Look at immigrating to any other country usually you have to have financial stability or deposit a large sum of money in to an account or invest in to the country economy!

 

[Espalda Mojado]

A good example of our new low-cost aircraft ferry service is www.flyit4u.com.

We will only use experienced professional pilots with over 2000 flight hours to provide ferry services to customers. I already have over 10 ATPs from all over the US who want to sign up and do some fun flying on their days off. These pilots have countless hours of transcontinental and oceanic crossing flight time. Most of these pilots also have a CFI and are willing to provide low-cost instruction to the owner/operators of the airplanes.

One attractive feature of our network is that we will allow less experienced pilots to fly right seat for a nominal hourly fee. These pilots will build valuable experience, and the fees will help to pay for the expenses of the PIC. That way , some of our flights will actually be free of cost to the customer, except for fuel and government fees. This will be a great way to do some recreational flying and give back to the aviation community.

 

[PacoPollo]

Thats a tremendous Idea! Put this 200-500hr wonders in the right seat of a 172 and charge them a fee.They would log it since its dual given.
BTW me and E.Mojado are not the same .

 

[NW_Pilot]

Well someone like myself that ferry’s airplanes for a Living take’s pride in the industry, their quality of work and we love to fly. Since I Started this adventure almost a year ago I have found out that most any person with morals will support the U.S. economy rather than someone that will do it for free.


I have ferried a few airplanes that have been abandoned by their ferry pilots and have had numerous conversations with customers that have been/or have had their airplane abandoned by the airline pilot or free pilot. The number one reason for being abandoned is that they had to return to their airline job or their regular day job and did not have time to finish due to weather or minor mechanical issue.


The ATP’s that are defrauding their employers by using their jump seat privileges in furtherance of a business or for financial gain is not moral or ethical and I would not want them flying any of my aircraft.

Steven L Rhine
http://www.aircraftdelivery.net
http://www.ferrypilotservice.com

 

[NW_Pilot]

Thats a tremendous Idea! Put this 200-500hr wonders in the right seat of a 172 and charge them a fee.They would log it since its dual given.
BTW me and E.Mojado are not the same .

hahaha, I don’t think that would work out very well! I don't know of any private pilot or commercial pilot that’s going to pay for 2 1 way airline tickets + pay for instruction, food, lodging, ground, transportation, etc. for a meager amount of flight time in an unknown airplne wich usually is in questionable condition maintained by god who knows, they would be better off renting or starting their own business ferrying airplanes.

 

[PacoPollo]

hahaha, I don’t think that would work out very well! I don't know of any private pilot or commercial pilot that’s going to pay for 2 1 way airline tickets + pay for instruction, food, lodging, ground, transportation, etc. for a meager amount of flight time in an unknown airplne wich usually is in questionable condition maintained by god who knows, they would be better off renting or starting their own business ferrying airplanes.

There are plenty of 100hr-200hr pilots that dont wanna do the CFI route.Plus you gt to fly x-xountry most of the time till they log 500hr to get a descent sic job.