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PCL_128

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A petition was posted on another thread for a vote of no confidence in Marion Blakey. The petition talks about a bunch of contract violations and safety problems that the ATC folks have to deal with. I'm curious what all of our ATC posters think of it. Is this really the case, or is this a gross exaggeration?:

Vote of No Confidence

[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Under the leadership of Marion Blakey the FAA has descended into the abyss of low morale that only previously existed prior to the strike of 1981. Despite consistent alarms raised by the National Air Traffic Controllers Association about the coming wave of retirements that will cripple the Aviation system, Ms. Blakey has never come up with a cogent, comprehensive plan for dealing with this looming staffing crisis. In fact, with her short sighted attempt to circumvent the collective bargaining process and impose unsafe, unfair and unproductive work rules she has virtually guaranteed that this staffing crisis will occur. Not only will it occur, it will occur years before the FAA has the infrastructure to deal with it .

Although a strike is not a possibility we are concerned that a large wave of controller retirements will have a similar effect on the National Aerospace System. During the aftermath of the strike numerous restrictions were put on air traffic (miles-in-trail restrictions, ground delay programs, no IFR for general aviation aircraft, etc.). In this modern world of razor thin profit margins for airlines and soaring fuel prices these types of restrictions would have a much more deleterious effect.

Under Ms. Blakey's command the management of the FAA has consistently, and egregiously breached the Collective Bargaining agreement with no regard for the rule of law. She has instilled a hostile work environment of fear and intimidation by meting out excessive punishments for the smallest infractions up to and including several wrongful terminations. This hostile environment, coupled with the already dangerously low staffing levels in a lot of facilities creates an unprecedented level of stress and distraction which we fear will only be recognized by Ms. Blakey in hindsight during a fatal accident investigation.

Ms. Blakey has consistently misrepresented the facts with regard to the Aviation Trust fund in such a way as to make it appear that fee based operations are the only way to save the system.

Due to these few examples of the myriad reasons for our concern we no longer have any confidence in Ms. Blakey's ability to lead the Federal Aviation Administration.
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PCL 128,

I am "in the pool" to be hired at Houston Center. That means that the FAA knows who I am, and they're taking an active interest in hiring me... currently, they're taking 180 days to complete a 60-day background check. My classmates that graduated in May '05 haven't even gotten that far yet.

The gist of that post is real. Blakey is doing such a piss-poor job of handling ATC, that we may as well bring in FEMA. We WILL need FEMA when she's done.

Here's the lowdown, and 90% of it is stuff you already know. I don't have exact numbers handy, but here it goes anyway. Back in '81 or '82 when PATCO struck, Reagan had to replace a vast majority of the controllers at once. Those controllers are getting ready to retire -- anybody is eligible for retirement after 25 years of ATC. The government knows this. Over the last five or so years, the FAA has hired very few controllers, despite people quitting or retiring.

Keep in mind that ATC guys are like pilots -- you have Captains, and FO's, but every ATC guy is a Captain. How can that be? You do not walk in the door of your facility as a "street captain." You've gone through in-doc and ground school at the FAA Academy in OKC. Now you gotta go through IOE and your probationary period at your facility (and get a couple of type ratings along the way). My assignment is at an enroute center. Just about half of the controllers in the country work at a Center. Major towers actually have very few people on the seniority list (lots of major towers are now separate from the associated tracon) in comparison to a center. The busiest centers have around 400 controllers (twenty total centers). The busiest towers only have 40-50 on the entire seniority list. Currently, you cannot walk into ATL Tower as a newhire. You can, however, walk into ATL Center (ZTL) as a newhire. Checkout time in towers (call it your FO time if you will) is realtively short -- maybe 6 mos to 18 mos as a newhire.

Checkout time in the Centers is much longer, perhaps two to five years -- as much time as some airline FO's spend as FO's before actually making Captain. The point is that "two weeks notice" is not enough lead time to have your replacement trained and ready to "fly." The FAA really should have been using the last two years to ramp up, hire, screen, and train new controllers. I graduated in May '05, took the AT-SAT in July '05 (another FAA snafu) and was picked up by ZHU in October of '05. I began my security clearance in November '05. And I'm still waiting. And they still don't know when it will be done. But hey, I'm going to be making $110k+ on my 30th b-day, so who cares, right?

Well, the FAA finally opened up a valve in the hiring "pipeline" and newhires are finally starting to trickle out. Slowly. The FAA also decides that they should negotiate the expired contract before the newhires become CPC's (Captain). In any normal "we gotta screw somebody no matter what" contract negotiation, you pretty much sweet talk the current employees into screwing those that aren't even employed yet. Can't really blame them. The FAA has the "perfect" opportunity for that. The current guys will be out in two to three, maybe four years. You'll have the new guys for 25 years. Small price to pay for lots of savings.

However, the FAA isn't even throwing a bone to the current controllers, and the current controllers aren't voting in a contract that will screw newhires, at least so far. The FAA *is* creating a hostile work environment, forcing the controllers to work short-staffed, and blah blah blah.

New hires are getting a raw deal under her proposal. Under the old contract, it was a sweet job. I haven't seen the new proposal verbatim (I SHOULD take a look at it, but it doesn't matter what's proposed until it actually gets implemented), but I don't like what I hear. My training pay for the first three steps is less than I make pumping jet fuel. You guys already know that I make $8.85/hr in OKC, while the pretend-pilots on the other side of the radio make $12/hr. My $110k job will now be $65k to start (that is, when I make CA/CPC). I know half of you guys are saying "waa haaaa booo hooo do you know what pilots make?" I know what pilots make. That's why I'm not a pilot. I'm not doing ATC *just* for the money, but... flying becomes a job after awhile too. If you hate your job, you hate your job, no matter how much you get paid. Oh yeah... If I could get on at the regionals after being a CFI, KEEP my regional job, make CA after a few years, and then have the choice to go on to a major (or WN/B6/FL or NJA for that matter), and then KEEP that major job, I'd do it. But you and I know that won't happen that way.

Jumping back to the "how do I get a job?" process... The most common way is to go through a collegiate training program (CTI). There are 13 schools in the country that have an approved program. Three of them are junior colleges, and the rest are 4-year schools. Most of the junior college programs are designed to get you in, get you out, and get you hired. Most of the 4-year programs are not designed to be the "sole" job skill learned. From what I gather from those on the internet, those that are pursuing ATC careers at a 4-year school are typically pursuing a flying career as well. No matter what, they do create themselves options. I've got mine -- my fuel pumper job is hooking me up with a Masters degree. If I don't do ATC, I have a lot less headache on my hands.

The point in the last paragraph is that if this new contract comes out bad, the newhires just find another job or switch majors. Hell, most of the likely candidates are "in the pool" anyway and not yet on the FAA payroll. They don't have to strike, they don't have to quit, and they don't have to "suck it up." There ARE other jobs. By making this contract as bad as it is, she's just going to bring the staffing crunch to a head much, much, quicker.

Is this rhetoric? Is this an exaggeration? I don't think so. If she was trying to negotiate a contract with 80% of the workfoce with 15-20 years on the job, and and had a good five to ten years lead time to replace them, I think she could get away with it. Face it, what's a controller with 15 years on the job going to do for a living? He has few, if any transferrable job skills. But that's far from the current scenario. You've got a vast majority of the current work force at the tops of their pay scales, their pension payout is pretty much locked in (they're basically at their high three-year average, or close to it), and they're so close timewise that they can taste it. But you have NOBODY trained and ready to take their jobs. You're also telling the new guys to go screw themselves. They just might. BTW, Blakey was supposed to hire 1200 controllers this year. She cut that back to 900.

I'm completely convinced that Blakey is playing Russian Roulette, with the gun pointed squarely at herself.
 
PCL_128 said:
A petition was posted on another thread for a vote of no confidence in Marion Blakey. The petition talks about a bunch of contract violations and safety problems that the ATC folks have to deal with. I'm curious what all of our ATC posters think of it. Is this really the case, or is this a gross exaggeration?:

It's pretty much accurate. I'm out the door as soon as I'm eligible to go, in March '08.

Let me toss out some words by our union Regional Vice President, Bob Marks:

"Palomar is so short staffed that the FAA went and got a pregnant woman who was medically restricted from working traffic to open the busiest, most stressful position at the tower. Carlsbad-Palomar is the world's busiest single runway general aviation airport.



This poor woman tried mightily to fulfill her assigned task, but became violently ill and had to make EIGHT roundtrips to the restroom. The FAA wanted to give her a portable radio so she could work traffic while getting sick in the restroom. The FAA then did the same thing the next day. This is utterly inexcusable, and it is high time that the flying public challenge the FAA on this. We are simply messengers, telling you what is happening. The FAA does not like that, and so that is why our coming forward is blamed on stalled contract negotiations...


We are working scared, we truly are. Seven fully qualified controllers, two have to retire by the end of the year, and two more will have newborns before then and not able to work. One of the upcoming retirees told me personally the stress was so bad he may go earlier since he wants to be alive for retirement."


That's the environment we are working in folks.

 
Wow. I knew it was bad, but I had no idea it was -THIS- bad. My boss is a total flake and a wannabe scam-artist, but even he wouldn't stoop so low as to even suggest the portable radio thing.
 
Thanks for the info, guys. Sorry to hear what all of you have to deal with. Looks like no job in this industry is safe from scumbag management. :mad:
 
She is a liar and its simple. Natca offers 1.4 billion in savings over life of contract, they say they have to have there 1.9billion dollars in savings...

Congress offered her more money for her budget, she turned it down.

She claims no one will loose money, b.s! We loose our CIP of at least 10%, we loose training pay which means, hey mister rookie controller, come move planes on my ticket, and you screw up, im on the hook, but I get no incentive to do it.

She had no intention on a fair negoation. She walked away and the same day had a 100+ picture filled document for congress, wow the faa moves fast.....negative!!!

New hires are getting paid GS1 pay at the academy with no perdiem, i was hired in at 35k year at the academy with a 3700$ check to cover my expenses in OKC for the 7 weeks i was there.

She is going to cripple the NAS when 1 in 4 controllers retire in the next year.

her solution will most likely be....ok....contract the 5,6,7 towers and send those controllers else where.

her theory on GA is going to hurt the system..

I mean comon, she's right, we are over paid and underworked cry babies. Even though personally deal with thousands of lives per hour, but anyone can do it..........

She is a union breaker, that is her only concern, break em down, and ruin it....too bad the senate and congress are going against her.

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