question bout pinncale

[mdd]

Does Pinnacle have any underlying problems. A F.O. friend advised me that everytime he flew he felt as if he were on a check-ride. Does anyone know if this is a common problem at all airlines?

 

[dondk]

I'll take a chance at this one...

At Pinnacle all pilot's on probation are evaluated by Captains. Some Captains take it a bit far, other's don't take it far at all, and even a few more like to add the pressure of a bad report=a carpet dance.

I would not call it akin to a checkride.. maybe just a little more stress to a newbie than he/she needs. They should speak up to the Captains about it, not pass comments that can misconstrued on an open message board.

One last comment... we do have a few "winners", both FO's and Captains. This practice helps weed out problem FO's for the future and potential probem Captain's.

 

[another cfii]

I wouldn't worry about it at all. I think mgmt started to eval probie on a more regular basis these days. I've received 3 eval. last month alone, and I'm still flying, so I guess i still have a job.

Most CAs do the eval pretty discreetly, so most of the time you wouldn't even know you're being watched, and unless you put the plane and pax at risk, you shouldn't be worried to do the "carpet dance".

I treat every flight as a fed ride to some degree, even though how comfortable and how laid back the flight is, it's just that mentality will prepare you to become a CA one day.

 

[B52GUNNER]

I had an eval yesterday. It was no big deal. You just fly the airplane the way you are supposed to and there is no problem. I have had a couple of evals lately. I am sure it will go on until my probation period is over. It is probably a good idea for them to cover the bases. If they are going to get rid of someone, they will have a paper trail of several bad evals. I doubt that one will do anything to really hurt you. They want you to be there to fly.

 

[Lear70]

All new-hires receive two evaluations per month for the duration of your probationary period (one year), the base admins simply go through the schedule, find out who you're supposed to fly with, and leave the eval forms in their v-file usually a day or two prior to the flight.

The guys who are worried about it (usually needlessly) often go check out their CA's v-file every day (lineholders obviously) to see if there's one in there and for when.

Half the Captains aren't turning them in - too much d*mn paperwork really. Only two people have been fired from them, one of them deserved it, the other one didn't and just rubbed a very senior CA the wrong way and didn't give a sh*t - it obviously bit him. In both cases, it took three bad evals to warrant the termination.

 

[Snakeplt]

Pinnacle is another SCUM airline. Just say NO !

 

[IP076]

Pinnacle is another SCUM airline. Just say NO !

Justification?

I'm not for sure, but I think at just about any airline you go through evals on your Probation year. So, one could reason, "Evals + Probation = Scum" Anyone care to start a list of Scum based on that criteria...

 

[another cfii]

Fortunately this thread was not posted originally in the "Regional" forum, otherwise it would become a flamebait faster than a frog on a fly

Good day