Question about "paperless cockpit"

[cptsesso]

We just bought a King Air with an Avidyne Flightmax EX500 and Chartmax (Jeppview). I would like to do away with the heavy, cumbersome Jepp books and use the Cmax and carry a laptop with a printer to print the days charts.

I have read the Advisory Circular about this because we fall under 91 Sub F, but we are not trying to go totally paperless, I just want to get rid of the Jepp books and print the days charts and carry those.

This is new to me, so I guess what I want to know is does this sound legal or do I need to go through the whole Advisory Circular approval process with the FSDO?

Thanks.

 

[MauleSkinner]

My understanding is that getting rid of your paper charts is far enough into "paperless" that it would require the approval process.

I talked to an inspector at my FSDO yesterday, and it sounds like printing out the charts for the day is one of the accepted "backups" required by the AC.

Good luck!

David

 

[Tgaug6300]

Our operation is paperless. All of our approach plates (world-wide) enroute (World-wide), our SOP, aircraft performance (this is very important to us since we operate every Citation and also Caravan). The only thing we keep on the plane is Book 1 (including Hi Alt. charts) We have the Fusitsu EFB with Jepp-view. I wish I could tell you how we got this approved (but, it was before I started).

 

[HS125]

We just bought a King Air with an Avidyne Flightmax EX500 and Chartmax (Jeppview). I would like to do away with the heavy, cumbersome Jepp books and use the Cmax and carry a laptop with a printer to print the days charts.

I have read the Advisory Circular about this because we fall under 91 Sub F, but we are not trying to go totally paperless, I just want to get rid of the Jepp books and print the days charts and carry those.

This is new to me, so I guess what I want to know is does this sound legal or do I need to go through the whole Advisory Circular approval process with the FSDO?

Thanks.

Chek out this company http://www.paperlesscockpit.com/. We use their flightservers and EFB's. The best that I've seen so far.

 

[cptsesso]

Thanks guys. We are not trying to go totally paperless, just do away with all of the Jepp Binders and use the Avidyne with Cmax and the days charts printed from the JeppView.

According to the FSDO, this is acceptable and does not fall under the AC guidelines because we will have the printed dep, dest and alt charts with us printed from JeppView. We will also carry a laptop and small printer in case we need something else while en route.

He said the AC is mainly for guys trying to go with zero paper in the cockpit.

 

[SabreFlyR]

Thanks guys. We are not trying to go totally paperless, just do away with all of the Jepp Binders and use the Avidyne with Cmax and the days charts printed from the JeppView.

According to the FSDO, this is acceptable and does not fall under the AC guidelines because we will have the printed dep, dest and alt charts with us printed from JeppView. We will also carry a laptop and small printer in case we need something else while en route.

He said the AC is mainly for guys trying to go with zero paper in the cockpit.

We use 2 efb's for our jepp charts only and still have paper for everything else. There is no language that says what form just appropriate form the charts must be presented in and we use the efb's as a class 1, which is considered a PED.

 

[rfresh]

So you can go 'all paperless' if you have two paperless systems?

 

[MauleSkinner]

Thanks guys. We are not trying to go totally paperless, just do away with all of the Jepp Binders and use the Avidyne with Cmax and the days charts printed from the JeppView.

According to the FSDO, this is acceptable and does not fall under the AC guidelines because we will have the printed dep, dest and alt charts with us printed from JeppView. We will also carry a laptop and small printer in case we need something else while en route.

He said the AC is mainly for guys trying to go with zero paper in the cockpit.

Which FSDO?

 

[cptsesso]

Allentown, PA

I don't remember the inspectors name though.

 

[MauleSkinner]

Just got off the phone with an inspector in the Minneapolis FSDO...he basically said the same thing. With printed charts for the airports of the day and the enroute book (comes with the JeppView subscription), he wouldn't see any reason to violate somebody on a ramp check.

Mind you, he wasn't interpreting the regs for me, or anything like that (standard disclaimer).

The AC is just so vague about what is required, and there's no requirement as to the format of the charts that he doesn't think it would be a problem.

Fly safe!

David

 

[puddlejumper]

I just got into the electronic chart thing with an Entegra MFD with CMAX charts from Jepp. Anyone else having a hard time with this last January 14, 2007 revision? I'm getting nothing after the update on the display. The update shows as being installed properly, but none of my charts are there!

PJ

 

[GravityHater]

What is the associated AC?

 

[SabreFlyR]

I just got into the electronic chart thing with an Entegra MFD with CMAX charts from Jepp. Anyone else having a hard time with this last January 14, 2007 revision? I'm getting nothing after the update on the display. The update shows as being installed properly, but none of my charts are there!

PJ

I had an alert from jepp not to load the January update on our Avidyne because of the same problem you describe here.

 

[cptsesso]

I have the same problem. Call Jepp tech support and they have a fix for you, but you need to use the update cd and not the internet update to do the fix.

Apparently there is an error in the verification code they put in the update which the Avidynes don't like.