Question about logging SIC time

[QuasarZ]

So my dad and I are looking into buying an Aztec. The insurance guy said that I would not be able to touch the controls unless listed on policy on takeoff or landing, but whatever we do at 5,000ft is up to us. So would I log any of this as SIC? or would the portion after takeoff and before land be PIC? any info is greatly appreciaited. And I did search to no avail
Thanks

 

[SSDD]

There is no such thing as SIC in an Aztec. The airplane was not certified for it, and the operation does not require it.

Your dad could ACT as PIC, and you could LOG PIC time while you are flying. What your dad will let you do is between you and him. As long as you don't bend anything, the insurance company will never know...

 

[AC560]

Your dad could not log that time though unless he was a designated safety pilot or a MEI.

 

[avbug]

There is no such thing as SIC in an Aztec.

Not true.

The airplane was not certified for it, and the operation does not require it.

You don't know if the operation requires it, because the operation hasn't been outlined. A simple simulated instrument flight under 91.109(b) would qualify, and doesn't require an operating certificate.

Your dad could ACT as PIC, and you could LOG PIC time while you are flying.

Only so long as you're both rated in the airplane, your Dad acts as both safety pilot and PIC, and you're sole manipulator. Or alternately, you switch roles.

 

[SSDD]

Avbug you're usually right, but can be a jerk about it.

I'll admit I assumed a few things. I assumed that it is a part 91, trying to build time operation. The insurance company is willing to insure his dad, and he lists ME as one his ratings, and a high performance endorsement, so I assumed they are both rated in an Aztec.

Please help the guy out instead of jumping on me.

 

[svcta]

Yeah, Av, you really need to settle down a little. I'm sure we can all think of ways to complicate simple answers, but you're the only one who consistently does it. And it always seems to be in an effort to make someone wrong. In this case SSDD was not. At least I got the same impression by the question asked. By your additions you are correct. Know when to say "when". We all get tired of watching you masturbate on FI.

 

[avbug]

Please help the guy out instead of jumping on me.

Not a matter of helping or hurting. You got additional information, let it be good enough. No need to whine about it.

You asked a question about a regulatory subject...the devil is in the details. Get used to them.

 

[FlyinFife]

Not to hijack the thread or anything - but I'm having trouble why any offense would be taken by Avbug's remark. I did not notice any jumping, just clarification on a point. Oh well, my $0.02.

 

[nosehair]

You asked a question about a regulatory subject...the devil is in the details. Get used to them.

WHO-HOO-Hoo-Hoooo-hoo!! Thass' a gud'n!! Kin I use it?

 

[QuasarZ]

to further explain, this will be time building for me. My dad flies for the airlines and has 21,000+ hours and will not be logging any of it. My uncle will also be flying with me, he is an MEI and also flies for the airlines and will not be logging it. Thanks for the info thus far