Probably a trivial question (logging actual)

[LivestockTony]

I just submitted my logbook for review by the CP of the local 141 school for evaluation, so I've been thinking about this...it's probably a non-issue but:

61.51e (logging pilot in command flight time)
(1) a sport, recreational, private [me], or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which-
(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated or has privileges;

61.51g (Instrument flight time)
(1) A person may log instument time only for that flight time when the person operates the aircraft solely by reference to instruments under actual or simulated instument flight conditions.
(2) applies only to instructors
(3) requirement for location and approach, etc

So.. a private pilot working on an instrument rating cannot log PIC in actual because he's not rated for that, right?

In '96 apparently I logged .9 of PIC+dual rec'vd and actual the first time I was working on my instrument rating over 2 flights (one was .7 the other .9). All the other parts of the log entries are fine (approaches listed, etc).

This isn't something that will come bite me later right, I mean it took me 10 years to find... But is it something I should make a corrective entry for?

 

[minitour]

So.. a private pilot working on an instrument rating cannot log PIC in actual because he's not rated for that, right?

Nope. You said it yourself. You can log PIC time when you're sole manipulator of "an aircraft for which the pilot is rated or has privileges;".

If you've got a Private Pilot Certificate (Airplane Single Engine Land) and you do your instrument instruction in a Malibu (for example), you can log all of the time you are manipulating the controls as PIC.

It's a single engine land airplane.

The fact that it's high performance, pressurized, complex or in actual instrument conditions doesn't change that it's a single engine land airplane.

-mini

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I think the question you are asking is whether a private pilot with SEL privileges can log actual while sole manipulator of the controls with a CFII on board during actual conditions.

If we assume that the training took place in a single engine land aircraft, then you may log PIC for the time you control the aircraft. In terms of being able to log actual instrument, well, my interpretation is that since "actual" is a condition of flight just as much as night, then one would be entitled to log actual as an instrument student.

 

[avbug]

Amish and Mini are both correct; you can log it PIC, and log it as instrument time. Not a problem in the slightest. The FAA Chief Legal Counsel agrees.

I don't have time right now to post it...but it's been re-stated several times. In no uncertain terms you can log it...go right ahead, and worry not.

 

[LivestockTony]

Minitour, Amish, Avbug, thank you.

 

[FlySacto]

I just submitted my logbook for review by the CP of the local 141 school for evaluation, so I've been thinking about this...it's probably a non-issue but:

61.51e (logging pilot in command flight time)
(1) a sport, recreational, private [me], or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which-
(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated or has privileges;

61.51g (Instrument flight time)
(1) A person may log instument time only for that flight time when the person operates the aircraft solely by reference to instruments under actual or simulated instument flight conditions.
(2) applies only to instructors
(3) requirement for location and approach, etc

So.. a private pilot working on an instrument rating cannot log PIC in actual because he's not rated for that, right?

In '96 apparently I logged .9 of PIC+dual rec'vd and actual the first time I was working on my instrument rating over 2 flights (one was .7 the other .9). All the other parts of the log entries are fine (approaches listed, etc).

This isn't something that will come bite me later right, I mean it took me 10 years to find... But is it something I should make a corrective entry for?

No problem. As already stated you log PIC as sole manipulator. You couldn't ACT as PIC since you weren't instrument rated. Your instructor was acting as PIC.

 

[cezzna]

Everybody's logbook is messed up one way or another. Even if you did it all the right way and legal to every FAR, there will be people who insist you did something wrong. I once read that the IRS took a moderate level difficulty tax return to 50 different tax preparer/CPA's and ALL 50 came up with different answers. I wouldn't sweat this kind of stuff. Worry about the stuff that can kill you.