Private & Student Pilot

[minitour]

Howdy...a student pilot at the school I went to asked me tonight if I knew the regs on flying a Student with a Private Pilot?

I figured it's gotta be legal the PPL would be PIC obviously...that person would log ya know..whatever it is, day/night/xc/SEL/etc...but how would (and would) the Student log it? Could they log it as TT? XC? Can they log the landings & T.O.s? He's just looking for hours to build towards the 40 and heck...I'm looking for hours toward the X thousand that I'm gonna eventually need...

thanks for any input

-mini

 

[350DRIVER]

Howdy...a student pilot at the school I went to asked me tonight if I knew the regs on flying a Student with a Private Pilot?

I figured it's gotta be legal the PPL would be PIC obviously...that person would log ya know..whatever it is, day/night/xc/SEL/etc...but how would (and would) the Student log it? Could they log it as TT? XC? Can they log the landings & T.O.s? He's just looking for hours to build towards the 40 and heck...I'm looking for hours toward the X thousand that I'm gonna eventually need...

thanks for any input

-mini

If he is a student pilot then he may not log any portion of the flight while flying with a private pilot. They cannot log any of the time, you are the PIC that is rated in the aircraft and as a private pilot you may not give flight instruction to them with intentions of them being able to log the flight time. He would be nothing more than a "passenger" a long for the ride.


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[Jedi_Cheese]

The student pilot can only log time if they are alone (w/ appropiate solo endorsements) or with a CFI.

You can take them flying and have them do stuff (just make shure they don't break anything) but they can't log it. You would be PIC and should something happen, it's your ass on the line.

 

[350DRIVER]

The student pilot can only log time if they are alone (w/ appropiate solo endorsements) or with a CFI.

You can take them flying and have them do stuff (just make shure they don't break anything) but they can't log it. You would be PIC and should something happen, it's your ass on the line.

The last sentence is priceless and by far the best one of this young thread so far. It only takes one minor fukc up to get yourself into some hot water. I would be very cautious with regards to allowing any student pilot to touch the controls, it only takes one mistake/error to make a bad day happen.... They may be the "best" student pilot in the world, doesn't matter. I would view them as "passengers" and nothing more. They can watch all they want but "touching" the controls would not happen if I was the private pilot with them.

When I was a 135 captain I had the great pleasure of flying with a few new hire (wet behind the ear) first officers fresh off of their 135 sic checkride who couldn't fly out of a box if their life depended on it, needless to say they were not flying any legs with passengers onboard until they had enough empty legs to feel comfortable in the aircraft when I was in the left seat.. Be careful my friend, it is all on you should something get fukced up and go wrong.

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[minitour]

...It only takes one minor fukc up to get yourself into some hot water. I would be very cautious with regards to allowing any student pilot to touch the controls, it only takes one mistake/error to make a bad day happen.... They may be the "best" student pilot in the world, doesn't matter. I would view them as "passengers" and nothing more. They can watch all they want but "touching" the controls would not happen if I was the private pilot with them.
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yeah...we'll just forget it...I'm not puttting my ticket on the line bc someone wants to practice stalls n doesnt kno what they're doing...

thanks for the heads up guys!
-mini

 

[igneousy2]

A big part of CFI training is preventing bad situations and to a limited extent, extracating yourself from bad situations. Being a CFI was the most dangerous flying i've done to date. It was a great experience but not one for an inexperienced pilot. Straight and level cruise, climbs, etc. are probably fine but I wouldn't let him enter the pattern if I were you and Absolutely NO STALLS.

 

[Jared_44]

I could not possibly agree anymore. When people ask what I do everyday, I reply that I feel like a terrorism target because I fly with people everyday that try to kill me. I never respected the CFI position until I got there. You are not only responsible for your actions, but responsible for the student's actions as well. I compare it to flying two planes at once because of all this is going on. Your private pilot certificate is your license to learn, let the other person watch as you learn.

 

[PHX767]

Please don't do this!

It's a temptation for Private Pilots to let their student friends take the wheel and practice. It's cheaper than with a CFI, and the PP really enjoys explaining and demonstrating his mastery of all things aviation.

But as numerous very wise experienced pilots here have posted, it's a lot harder to supervise an inexperienced pilot than it would seem. By the time things start to go wrong (stall turns into spin, landing on the nose wheel, etc) the PIC PP not only has to decide when to take control, but has to take over and apply corrective action. This with no training and not a lot of experience. Then, as Clint Eastwood would say, "Do ya feel lucky..." Sure don't want an incident on your record or even worse.

This is much different than 2 PP's practicing together. In this instance, both pilots have been certified and found competent by an examiner.