Possible new Airline in MESA GROUP

[big dog1]

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Anybody hearing anything about Coporate Airlines and Air Midwest (Mesa). Plenty of rumors flying around over here.
Any info appreciated.....[/font]

 

[Beantown]

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Anybody hearing anything about Coporate Airlines and Air Midwest (Mesa). Plenty of rumors flying around over here.
Any info appreciated.....[/font]

Why? I would think that last thing Mesa would want is more 19 seat planes and a different type to boot. I don't think so. -Bean

 

[FlyChicaga]

Is Corporate Airlines ALPA? Sounds like a certificate and a bunch of pilots than someone could stick some jets for cheap.

 

[big dog1]

JO did HINT at a possible sell off of AirMidwest in the 3rd QTR conference call on the 28th.

 

[AV80R]

"Is Corporate Airlines ALPA? Sounds like a certificate and a bunch of pilots than someone could stick some jets for cheap."

bunch of GREAT guys & gals, no union, very low pay

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey,
Sounds like a short hop out of the frying pan into the fire, hope them guys got Kevlar/fireproof shorts!
PBR

 

[BoilerUP]

There is NO CHANCE IN HELL that Corporate Airlines (Corpex/3C) will buy Air Midwest. Likewise, I see no reason or way JO would pick up a bunch of broke-azz J32s except for the certificate. Even in that case, I thought MAG pilots had company scope?

3C will see jets when Hell freezes over. It will be a frosty 40 degrees when they get Saabs, Brasilias, Dashes or any other airplane.

 

[wings421]

Isn't Air Midwest like 3 times the size of Corpex?

 

[AV80R]

"There is NO CHANCE IN HELL that Corporate Airlines (Corpex/3C) will buy Air Midwest."



- agree, if anything it'd be Air Midwest buying 3C, not the other way around.



"3C will see jets when Hell freezes over. It will be a frosty 40 degrees when they get Saabs, Brasilias, Dashes or any other airplane."



- c'mon now, you know very well that good things are coming -

Unfortunately, I think you are right but I wish they had SOMETHING or just ANYTHING positive to look forward to. They all deserve it...

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Headline:

Mesa Air Group buys Corporate Airlines. All employees are asked to take a pay cut and agree to changes in work rules. Ornstein says if employees don't sign, 3C will be dissolved. Ornstein also offers CRJ's to 3c in exchange for even lower pay scales, and less restrictive work rules. $23/hr for jet CA's, $14 for FO's. 6 days off/month. $0.75 per hour per diem.

 

[AV80R]

I assume you r just stirring things up, right? It’s not like 3C’ers need any more bad news…

"Mesa Air Group buys Corporate Airlines. All employees are asked to take a pay cut and agree to changes in work rules. Ornstein says if employees don't sign, 3C will be dissolved. Ornstein also offers CRJ's to 3c in exchange for even lower pay scales, and less restrictive work rules. $23/hr for jet CA's, $14 for FO's. 6 days off/month. $0.75 per hour per diem."


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[FlyFastLiveSlow]

I assume you r just stirring things up, right? It’s not like 3C’ers need any more bad news…

"Mesa Air Group buys Corporate Airlines. All employees are asked to take a pay cut and agree to changes in work rules. Ornstein says if employees don't sign, 3C will be dissolved. Ornstein also offers CRJ's to 3c in exchange for even lower pay scales, and less restrictive work rules. $23/hr for jet CA's, $14 for FO's. 6 days off/month. $0.75 per hour per diem."


__________________
BeHUH?ve!!!!!!!!!!
I did not have any sexual relations with THAT woman --Bill Clinton -- sry dude, u were asking 4 it

I would never stir anything up.

 

[BoilerUP]

Unfortunately, I think you are right but I wish they had SOMETHING or just ANYTHING positive to look forward to. They all deserve it...

Homey, I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe Corpex is plotting to buy AMR and make mainline "Corpex Connection"...but somehow, I doubt it

Something or anything would be nice. Best group of (criminally underpaid) guy and gal pilots and station employees I've ever met....or been apart of. Here's to hoping the 50ish pilots can still there can threaten enough to burn the place down they get a LITTLE of what they should be owed - Lord knows the people in MQY have ridden on the employee's backs the last few years.

 

[AV80R]

“…Maybe Corpex is plotting to buy AMR and make mainline "Corpex Connection...”



- Yeah right. St. Louis, MO – London, UK in a J32 lol. Heck, with air refueling and the new GPS’s y’all getting – ANYTHING is possible right?



“Best group of (criminally underpaid) guy and gal pilots and station employees I've ever met....or been apart of.”



- I see what you are saying and I agree with most of it but I’m not sure about the “criminally underpaid” part. The truth is I and you and everyone else knew exactly how much (little ) we were going to make. We were just hoping to move on to bigger planes sooner than we did. Of course 9/11 sort of changed our (and many, many, many others’) plans.



- We tried to ask for more money in the past and got a meager 7.3% increase (2001 I think?) I still have that sabre memo somewhere. Anyways, at least we tried and got something…



- That’s why I am so happy to hear that people like JS and others are trying this approach again (“monday meeting”) It might work, it might not, at least they are trying. …and I truly respect that.



“…burn the place down… Lord knows the people in MQY have ridden on the employee's backs the last few years.”



- Nah, c’mon now, there are many good people in mqy too, don’t forget b2, many great schedulers, dispatchers, etc. Even the “bad” guys are just trying to do their part – make as much money for the investors as they can. Capitalism at work, right? (Hi Fred! )



I’m not saying I agree with the low pay rates – I DON’T! …but someone told me a long time ago: “Whining is like a rocking chair. It’ll keep you busy, but it ain’t gonna get you nowhere!”



So support JS and others and keep asking for more dough or better schedules, or something. Hopefully it’ll work; if not vote with your feet and I think they’ll listen then because they’ll have to.



Good luck to all of you, I really mean it! …and I’ll keep trying to help out more of y’all to join us here.

HomeY​

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

“…Maybe Corpex is plotting to buy AMR and make mainline "Corpex Connection...”



- Yeah right. St. Louis, MO – London, UK in a J32 lol. Heck, with air refueling and the new GPS’s y’all getting – ANYTHING is possible right?



“Best group of (criminally underpaid) guy and gal pilots and station employees I've ever met....or been apart of.”



- I see what you are saying and I agree with most of it but I’m not sure about the “criminally underpaid” part. The truth is I and you and everyone else knew exactly how much (little ) we were going to make. We were just hoping to move on to bigger planes sooner than we did. Of course 9/11 sort of changed our (and many, many, many others’) plans.



- We tried to ask for more money in the past and got a meager 7.3% increase (2001 I think?) I still have that sabre memo somewhere. Anyways, at least we tried and got something…



- That’s why I am so happy to hear that people like JS and others are trying this approach again (“monday meeting”) It might work, it might not, at least they are trying. …and I truly respect that.



“…burn the place down… Lord knows the people in MQY have ridden on the employee's backs the last few years.”



- Nah, c’mon now, there are many good people in mqy too, don’t forget b2, many great schedulers, dispatchers, etc. Even the “bad” guys are just trying to do their part – make as much money for the investors as they can. Capitalism at work, right? (Hi Fred! )



I’m not saying I agree with the low pay rates – I DON’T! …but someone told me a long time ago: “Whining is like a rocking chair. It’ll keep you busy, but it ain’t gonna get you nowhere!”



So support JS and others and keep asking for more dough or better schedules, or something. Hopefully it’ll work; if not vote with your feet and I think they’ll listen then because they’ll have to.



Good luck to all of you, I really mean it! …and I’ll keep trying to help out more of y’all to join us here.

HomeY​

It really is quite shameful. Everyone below the DO is a great person. Great to work with and with the best of intentions. It's too bad that are held hostage by an upper management team that won't let them do anything. Even the DO is a decent guy to have a beer with. Too bad he's a hypocrite and has little backbone when it come's to his job.

 

[10early?]

AirMidwest/Corpex???

I hate to get back on the subject, but a MX guy told me that one of our FED inspectors asked how the "merger" was going. Upon further pressure, he said he had been told about a 3C and Air Midwest thing..... no details. There are things going on at MQY, though, a company name change, buying a new dispatch system, rumors of a new maintenance base........ it's very intriguing. Any fuel for the fire, guys?

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

J.O. looking for something to feed?!

I hate to get back on the subject, but a MX guy told me that one of our FED inspectors asked how the "merger" was going. Upon further pressure, he said he had been told about a 3C and Air Midwest thing..... no details. There are things going on at MQY, though, a company name change, buying a new dispatch system, rumors of a new maintenance base........ it's very intriguing. Any fuel for the fire, guys?

I understand that J.O. maybe looking for something to feed in case US Airways continues to shrink. All those airplanes and no mainline to feed would be a lot of lost revenue and under utilized capital for the MESA group.

 

[10early?]

Feed Who?

Who will JO feed if they merge with 3C? Unless Chatauqua gets it's 170's, pulls out from their AA agreement, and leaves that flying wide open. Which is feasible, seeing as how I don't think the ERJ market out of STL is worth losing bigger jets over. AA treats its codeshare 'partners' like doggie doo, and I wouldn't blame CHQ for bailing. But even then, what will JO do with 12 J32's besides replace them with 1900's? The scope clause has 3C limited to what it's flying now, which isn't much. And excess capacity or no, I wouldn't sell my soul to AA for anything (Heather Locklear excepted). Any ideas, or clarification?

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Look outside of the MESA group/bigger than RJ's

Who will JO feed if they merge with 3C? Unless Chatauqua gets it's 170's, pulls out from their AA agreement, and leaves that flying wide open. Which is feasible, seeing as how I don't think the ERJ market out of STL is worth losing bigger jets over. AA treats its codeshare 'partners' like doggie doo, and I wouldn't blame CHQ for bailing. But even then, what will JO do with 12 J32's besides replace them with 1900's? The scope clause has 3C limited to what it's flying now, which isn't much. And excess capacity or no, I wouldn't sell my soul to AA for anything (Heather Locklear excepted). Any ideas, or clarification?

It is most likey the types you would see lined up in MMUN (CUN). Trash-hauler types. Something with legs to go from the East coast to the West.

 

[belchfire]

Well, if there was a reason to get a union before,
there really is now! We have no protection from
any slimy dealings like the CCAir guys did.

I really don't think that anything good will
happen to corpex...

I saw this in the crewroom

Corporate=Corpex
Regions = Rejex

I wish that I had come up with it.

hehehe