Portfolio Fred.....AKA DCI "Pimp Daddy"

[asarjfo]

I copied this from another web site.......


Delta Connection issued an RFP for an additional 45 50-seat regional jets. Routes and scheduling will be determined by Delta, which also will manage inventories and pricing. The aircraft will be placed into service beginning in Jan. 2005 at the rate of two per month. Proposals must be submitted by Dec. 15. A spokesperson for Delta said operation of the additional RJs will be in compliance with the existing scope clause.--SA

It does not say who they issued the RFP to, existing carriers or anybody at all. The bottom keeps getting farther away!

 

[EV120]

Where???

This seems to be about the lead time we have heard for excercising the CRJ options...hmmm.

I hope we finally replace the e-120 block hours we lost.

 

[P38JLightning]

Go Candler!

EV120,

this may not mean squat to you (even IF you believe it) but rest assured the Comair pilots support you and hope you get those block hours back and then some. And one of the MAJOR points we talked about when considering not to take management's fantasy concession offer was the fact that it would drag you guys down during the later phases of your negotiations.

y'all (as a company) did an amazing job with the accelerated retirement of the EMB. I remember when we made the same push over here to get rid of ours and we experienced some stagnation too, and we only accelerated 9 or 10. Just that was enough to cancel 1.5 year upgrades and turn them into 3.5 year upgrades. Then the senior EMB folks coming to the RJ kept it arouond that level for almost 2 years. Immagine the effect if we accelerated 30 or 40 or 50 EMB's into retirement.

Don't forget that during and after our strike ASA hired and took deliveries as fast as humanly possible. None of us (that I know of) took offense to that; we all realized it could have played out no other way, and that in time we would grow too. The same is true for you guys. I think management is taking advantage of the situation trying to make it look like most of this stagnation, which would have occured in any case due to the massive EMB phaseout and retrain chain reaction, if "your fault" because you won't sign some patsy agreement by some arbitrary deadline.

You guys will grow and in a year or two will be within a few jets and a few pilots of us, if not more. I know our pilot group will view it as a hostile act by our (true) management if they decide to shrink you guys into oblivion while they pamper us and make us think we're their growth babies. The 2 year upgrade is nice, but its not worth slaughtering another pilot group (much less your own working agreement) to try and achieve that goal.

Besides, you guys have TON of leverage right now, controling 80-90% of the ATL feed. If Delta loses that the "cost" of our strike won't be jack in comparison and they know it. You will get a good contract and grow like crazy, with block hours for everyone. Go Candler!

 

[EV120]

Thanks for your continued support. And again thanks for tellling mgmt no thanks for the last proposal.

Seems ASA is now asking for the same thing. Just started another thread about the phantom 45 and the wage/contract freezes to fly them.

Someone else can have them if they want us to leave section 6

 

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I'm telling my reps "no" to changing the amenable date.

 

[EV120]

As am I. Actually, I made the call about 30 seconds after I read about this.

If there is a guarenteed side letter, with a guarentee of 45 airframes, with more than a cost of living pay raise, and scope protections for DCI flying(DAL/ASA/CMR)....none of which anyone can offer...maybe.

Seeing that this is just as a huge carrot, the only thing that will happen is our skin will get and orange tint, nothing good will come of it.

And another thing...

Why do they need to freeze anything right now. Our current contract is already in a status quo place. Some may say this is not a concessionary proposal, i say it is...from my view point.

 

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What they want to freeze is our ability to seek self help, IE strike. ASA currently has a 80% feed rate into the DAL system in Atlanta. By changing the amenable date in the contract, we push back our ability to strike until we completely go back through all the procedures the NMB provides for us to follow in contract talks (another 4 years).

In the mean time you can pretty much expect tons more CHQ and Comair in Atlanta, with possibly a little bit of MESA, to water down the effect of any strike ASA pilots might be able to put together.

I am willing to walk over scope and stay out as long as it takes - forever if need be. The sooner we can get to self help, the better. I know Delta can't take a strike and Delta knows it too.

Think about this logically, the cost of forgoing a year, or two's, raises don't make $3.00 an hour's difference in an airplane that costs around $1,500 an hour to operate. If a 2/10th's of one percent difference in operating cost matters, you had better believe Chautauqua's E145's will eat our lunch.

No - this is about undermining the collective bargaining process, just as the who portfolio process is about undermining the collective bargaining process. Our national union will not do squat about the portfolio, but our MEC can address this issue without National's interference.

The Delta pilots have held this Company hostage to the extent that we are now being asked to forgo our rights under labor law. I'm not playing, we don't work for ASA, ASA hardly even exists. If Delta wants me to take concessions, to forgo my rights in collective bargaining, they have to at least admit I'm on the team.

Yes, my morale stinks. Something about constantly telling your Captains that they are not on the team has that effect.

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[General Lee]

Fins,

This same type of ploy happened at Skywest. They were offered huge growth (via United) if they would forgo raises and fly bigger planes for 50 seat wages. When it came down to it, most of the FO's voted yes (because they wanted growth to upgrade to Capt), and the junior Capts voted yes (to better their lifestyle). The senior guys saw the light, but were out voted. Now there is talk that the Skywest pilots might have to take a paycut, even after this agreement. I wonder what the ASA pilots will do? And yes, I think we will take some sort of paycut at mainline, too.

Bye Bye--General Lee